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This thread was archived on 11 November 2018 by IsobelJ.

Recently, there's been a debate about whether to add wikilinks to transcripts (see Transcript:The Praesul). However, the links aren't in the original text, which means they aren't 100% verbatim as the header at the top states. Secondly, I've seen instances of transcripts having images (see Transcript:Ozan). As was pointed out in the subsequent discussion, we lack a policy about wikilinks (and images), and the only actual mention regarding linking is that quests mentioned should be wikilinked. I'd like to propose we make an actual policy regarding this.

Therefore I offer the following proposals:

1: Remove all non-verbatim wikilinks and images, including quest names
2: Remove all non-verbatim wikilinks and images excluding quest names, as specified in the transcripts style guide
3: Allow non-verbatim wikilinks for ease of access

  • 3a: Allow non-verbatim images for aesthetic purposes

4: Status quo - wikilinks and images to be added or removed on case-by-case basis

Discussion

Support 1 - If a link is needed, it should be in the main body of the article far as I'm concerned Ciphrius Kane (talk) 20:03, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Support 2 - Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 20:07, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Support 3 - Let's not keep unwritten rules unwritten, and make it clear Fishing cape.png deKaitlyn the HuntressQuest.png20:11, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Support 3 - I don't see the harm, the text would still be verbatim Talk-to Kelsey 20:15, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Support 1 - Srylius (talk) 20:16, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Support 1 - AnselaJonla (talk) 22:22, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Support 1 --9xFavoY.pngScuzzy Betahib8CAd.png 22:24, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Support 1 - Verbatim text should not have links. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 22:29, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

To clarify, I mean no links in the verbatim text itself. Text that is not verbatim but on transcript pages (like the example that I Am Me used) could be linked if necessary. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 23:11, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Support 1 - Pernix cowl detail.png MAGE-KIL-R Zaros symbol.png 22:31, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Support 1 -- Imperative that guidelines are set forth pertaining to this issue in order to ensure uniformity, and also to prevent further misunderstandings. Dormog, Secretary to the permanent secretary of the undersecretary of the bureau of secretaries (talk) 22:34, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Allow wikilinks outside spoken lines only No wikilinks in lines of dialogue - Transcripts aren't entirely verbatim - some of it is, for lack of a better name, flow control. Most of it says "(same as above)", but some actually mentions content.
For example, the first "If you have received any Slayer assignment from any Slayer Master" line on Transcript:Mazchna (first example I found) could instead read "If you have received any Slayer assignment from any Slayer Master".
Heck, I might even support making "(same as below)", "(return to previous options)", etc be section links where possible. It might be overkill in most cases, but there are some deep dialogue trees around.
Not a fan of links in the actual lines, though. I mean, they're useful, but it feels weird. Links in the "flow control" don't actually end up touching any of the verbatim text though, so I see literally no harm in those whatsoever. I think, therefore I Am Me 23:03, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

I was mostly thinking of dialogue transcripts when writing the above, but those aren't the only place this concerns. I'm honestly fine with links in other transcripts. I think, therefore I Am Me 00:50, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Support 4 - This wasn't an issue until one editor decided to make it one, while ignoring all the times that others have added links. Anyways, links can be helpful for book transcripts as the subjects being talked about (ie robes of subjugation) aren't always clear from the text itself. Adding links to dialogue could get messy and distracting, though. --cUYuYGL.png Shockstorm 23:57, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

As far I'm aware you're the only one that added links to verbatim text and the ones I did notice (as I'm not following changes to all transcripts) I reverted as no transcript ever had links in the verbatim text. There may have been some attempts of other users in the past but those were reverted as well. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 00:41, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Support 3/4 - There comes a point where we shouldn’t sacrifice user readability and engagement just for the sake of a policy. Use common sense and link where you think it’s necessary. I think the best place to use them is in dialogue references where it’s unsure what the dialogue is referring to (eg “here” in the Praesul dialogue, or “Moia” in the tainted shard dialogue) and I’m not sure I agree with linking something that’s so trivial (like “magic”). Perhaps we could limit it to Proper Nouns only.

Not sure I agree with allowing images on the page though. They’d just seem out of place. Haidro (talk) 00:51, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Support 3/4 - I agree with Haidro on this. Some dialogue refers to events and things that haven't been mentioned before. It should be a common sense basis. However, no images. It's just supposed be dialogue. RuneMetrics icon.png Tyler Jarret/ Talk Azure chinchompa (NPC).png 01:30, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Support 1 - Transcripts should be pure text and nothing else. 5-x Talk 11:20, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Support 3/4 - I agree with a lot of what User:I Am Me said. For quest/NPC transcripts, links should be limited to character names and the italicized helper text (which is already not verbatim), and not in actual spoken dialogue. For book/text transcripts, links can appear where the subject is unclear, such as "here" and other vague descriptors, or when there are several subjects by that name. Images should never be added to transcripts, though; they belong in the quest guide. -- F-Lambda (talk) 19:18, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

To clarify: when I say "character names", I mean the name at the front of spoken dialogue that says who is speaking, not mentions of characters in actual dialogue. -- F-Lambda (talk) 19:29, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Support 3/4 - Per some others above (F-Lamba, Haidro, et al.), I agree that having some links is beneficial (e.g. "here" in the given example) and as long as the text itself remains verbatim (ie, not changing a word/phrase in order to 'match 'it to a link) I don't have a problem with it. However, images should NOT be added to the transcripts, because they are inherently not verbatim. Also, trivial links like "magic" are also not necessary, but should only be removed if too many links make it distracting (in that case, UCS applies).  RS AdvLogMyles Prower  Talk 21:28, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

I actually just thought of a situation where even the given example of "magic" would be non-trivial: If it was referring specifically to ancient magic, or some other branch of magic. Of course, even in that situation, the dialogue would probably have helper words attached to "magic" (e.g., "this strange magic"), and those would probably be included in the formatted link to some extent (e.g., "I discovered a strange magic once used commonly."). -- F-Lambda (talk) 00:10, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Support 1 Betsan (talk) 09:01, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Closed - while there is strong support both for and against the idea of having links in transcripts there is most support to disallow linking in transcripts. The supported proposal is to disallow all links; which is a variation on the current guidelines from RuneScape:Style guide/Transcripts of allowing quest names to be linked. I have updated the guide to reflect the new consensus. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 20:34, 11 November 2018 (UTC)