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This thread was archived on 30 November 2013 by Haidro.

So...I rejoined the clan recently, and was looking at the list of clanmates. And I noticed there is a massive amount of admins. There's the usual mass of recruits, cluster of corps, and the pack of sarges since the lieutenant update, but for their status and rank, and the fact that there is so very few of them that are on over the course of 24 hours, it seems like a lot of them are just having the rank to be able to feel good, and make a half hour ceremonial warpath in the CC to keep their rank. There's currently 27 admins, but as I visit/talk/afk in the chat for almost 24 hours off and on...I maybe see three. At the same time, there are A LOT of completely abandoned positions. 99% of the clan is recruits, corps, sarges, and admins. There are easily 3 to 5 whole ranks that could be swept out, and reused for minimal activity/new admins, hell, there could be a rank that organizes the avatar being active 24/7! Since I left, it seems like a lot of the extremely active ranks that would keep the clan up to date, and the cobwebs out of the corners, have left or quit. My main two questions here are; should we start looking into using the available rank system more fully, and should we start looking a bit more closely at the admins, and making sure they're not doing minimal activity?Ice Rush12Zaros symbol.pngTalkHiscores 21:13, November 21, 2013 (UTC)


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Comments- 1. Why is having a lot of ranked users bad? 2. If you want more ranks to be utilized make a thread about it and explain why you think they should be and what the benefits would be. 3. If you think admins arent doing their jobs start a thread asking to derank them. 4. What is "minimal activity"? Megadog14Talk 21:23, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Question - What is the point of this thread? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 21:37, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

potatoes? Neitiznot  Choose OptionMy userpage Talk to me! Spam goes here Sign here! 15:57, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Strong oppose - "there could be a rank that organizes the avatar being active 24/7!"

Can people please stop begging for the avatar? It's just gotten annoying, and 3/6% xp boost is barely anything. And besides, this is actually impossible at the moment. Only admins can be avatar wardens.

We don't use these "abandoned positions" because there is no need for it. If you look at RS:RANKED, you'll see that the ranks we use are all we need. How do you suggest we expand these ranks? And what do you mean when you say that admins aren't doing their job? Do you have any proof of this? Getting the avatar out isn't an admin's job, we don't need to bring it out if we don't need to, it's just something nice to do. We manage the Clan Chat quite well, and since you haven't been in the clan for a couple of months, I have no idea where you are getting this from.

Get over the amount of admins. It's not going to hurt you. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 21:41, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Comment - If some of the admin-only functions (like avatars) could be moved off of admins it would be incredible. Ranks below admin would be useful if we could actually temporarily kick clanmates. As it is, we have the best we can. Maybe stuff will change when the clan leaders' forum is a thing. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 22:05, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

What exactly are you hoping to suggest if you're granted access? The CLF has been around for quite a while now and, as far as I can tell, it doesn't usually receive as much JMod attention as it does now. Temujin 03:20, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
We'll see when it happens. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 16:39, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Oppose - There are many active admins, and if anyone who believes that they are active in the clan chat and they deserve the rank they are more than welcome to make an rfcca. Most of the other ranks aren't used for a reason, they have no purpose and were mostly used as a trophy. You have only been in the clan chat for a couple of days, I think you should take a little bit of time before judging. Sly Fawkes (talk) 03:14, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Not even a day actually Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 08:41, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Oppose - No Slayer helmet (c).pngImmo Voted Worst Wikian 2013 Slayer cape (t).png 23:42, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Oppose - We have 27 Admins, as you say. First, I don't believe they ever went on "a half hour ceremonial warpath in the CC to keep their rank." And secondly, we simply don't have enough people to properly fill out "3-5 ranks". Why make more trouble for ourselves?  Golden warpriest of Zamorak helm.png Wingcap Firemaking master cape.png 23:46, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think its a lack of people - with almost 500 people (probably around 400 actives), we could 'fill out' ranks. Its more the lack of distinguishing things we have for those ranks - there really is not enough meaningful tools to add to each rank. There really are only 4 (5 if you count guest) meaningful ranks in the CC - recruits to use the basic clan features, corporals to invite, sergeants to kick guests and admins to do all the admin things. Everything else is a minor variation to stretch out the ranks we need to the ranks available. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 23:54, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Comment - Oh, I forgot to mention that everything we can and cannot change is summarised in a nice table over at RS:CC/P. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 23:54, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

... what. - there is a massive amount of admins - 474 total clan members. Subtract 27 for non-admin, get 447. Divide 27 by that, multiply by 100, get... ~6%. Let's make a comparison to the wiki (assuming you're not baselessly whining about that too). rollback + sysop = 238, all users with at least 5 edits = 15993. some math later... ~1.5%. make a half hour ceremonial warpath in the CC to keep their rank - so... you've been in the CC for not even a day, and this has happened, how many times? approximately... (/me counts on fingers, toes...) zero? maybe negative one? There's currently 27 admins, but as I visit/talk/afk in the chat for almost 24 hours off and on...I maybe see three. - ... this is literally counter to your primary argument. if there are not enough admins, there should be more, not less. At the same time, there are A LOT of completely abandoned positions. 99% of the clan is recruits, corps, sarges, and admins. There are easily 3 to 5 whole ranks that could be swept out, and reused for minimal activity/new admins, hell, there could be a rank that organizes the avatar being active 24/7! - massive logic gap. why do you need a rank to do that? I have better idea. join RS:EVENTS and do something productive instead of whinging. Since I left - oh, so you didn't even bother staying for more than a day? it seems like a lot of the extremely active ranks that would keep the clan up to date, and the cobwebs out of the corners, have left or quit. - how is this relevant? ⁓ Hello71 00:17, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

I think the "since" part of his opening statement refers to a previous membership to the clan rather than joining and leaving with a day. In other news, I'm wondering why Wikia have disabled the normal browser styling for q tags. cqm 01:07, 23 Nov 2013 (UTC) (UTC)
Using your numbers...
  • 27 / 474 = 5.69%
  • 50 / 718 = 6.82%
Q.E.D. There is a higher ratio of legendary pokemon than there is of RSWCC admins. MolMan 16:18, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Comment - "99% of the clan is recruits, corps, sarges, and admins." Was my favorite part due to summing up how every clan ever has 99% admin or lower ranks. Elune (talk) fetus is a good boy 19:07, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

I return - from the dead to say that, you sir, are spinning hooplah. S T Y G 19:09, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Hooplah you say? Elune (talk) fetus is a good boy 20:32, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Nope - You were back in the CC for a day and almost immediately began the same tired old song and dance that was your mantra before you left. You've been told this numerous times but it seems not to have sunk in to the part of your brain that retains things, so I'll say it again, in bold, so as to be perfectly clear: The abilities you want to see granted to ranks other than Admin are not grantable to ranks other than Admin. Only Admins can be Avatar Wardens. This is Jagex's decision, not the RSW Clan's decision. Even if the Clan were inclined to make the change you're asking for, it could not possibly be done. Now...do you understand and accept this, or do I have to make a new YG thread asking that you be forever banned from making YG threads?--Farming-icon.png Ms ZuZu Talk Quest icon fixed.png 01:56, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

haha good joke --Iiii I I I 03:45, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Question - What's the proposal, exactly? --LiquidTalk 06:22, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Kevin! We thought you had died :( svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 15:02, November 24, 2013 (UTC)
The helmet does have a point there. Neitiznot  Choose OptionMy userpage Talk to me! Spam goes here Sign here! 15:56, November 24, 2013 (UTC)
I'm not dead. I still login to the game fairly often in very late nights. I still come on the wiki pretty frequently too to see if there are any interesting discussions going on. --LiquidTalk 05:45, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
I bet you are frequently disappointed. MolMan 06:01, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
This tells all. --LiquidTalk 06:07, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Oppose - wut? Neitiznot  Choose OptionMy userpage Talk to me! Spam goes here Sign here! 15:56, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Closed - There is no consensus to change the rank system in the clan chat at the moment, partly because it is not possible. Of course, if Jagex does end up changing the rank system themselves (for example, letting ranks other than admins be avatar wardens), another thread may be created to address any changes which can be made.

There is also no consensus to monitor admins, checking if "they're not doing minimal activity". HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 03:15, November 30, 2013 (UTC)