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This thread was archived on 17 November 2009 by Soldier 1033.

A big hello from theRSdaily.net, a forum fansite ready for new members. Our basic request is to Affiliate with RS Wikia.

Now I understand that I need to give you a few reasons why we should be an affiliate. Before you read the reasons you should note that we have had around a month of development from Admin and our beginning forum base.

  • We are a small community looking to expand into the big wide world of RuneScape Fansites
  • We only have forums, run on "mybb" forum software, which was chosen as an easy to use choice.
  • We have a strict set of rules which are followed, if they are broken we have a clear list of sanctions available for viewing by users.
  • Admin and Moderators are chosen specifically by Admin based on forum growth, Wanna Be's are clearly separated and put on the list.
  • I am experienced with forums and have built the forums based around the community, much like RuneScape Wikia.

Please feel free to check us out at theRSdaily.net

--MartinIsaac 14:51, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

What RS Wikia would get from the affiliation

  • A selection of 5 Admin and 5 Moderator places for existing RS Wikia Admin to transfer
  • Weekly meetings to discuss any changes RS Wikia would like
  • An RS Wikia section which the chosen Admin would have complete control over
  • Help with the newspaper as requested e.g. More articles and staff

Discussion

Oppose - I'm sorry, but I cannot support affiliating with such a new and small site..you only have 13 registered users and barely any topics at all in your forums. Also, your website is only made up of forums. There is no other content. I don't see how this wiki would benefit from affiliating with you. Andrew talk 16:17, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

We never intended on becoming a "proper" fansite, theRSdaily was planned out to be a forum site, we hope this affiliation will grow our user base. You must also realise we gave ourselves a long time to develop the forums in our help documents and general Admin contact stuff and we intend to make the best use of our forums.  Magic-icon.png Martin Fishing 
we hope this affiliation will grow our user base....so you're wanting us to get you more members. Gives me even more reason to oppose ^_^. Regardless, you are still brand new and I see no valid reason for immediately requesting an affiliation. I also don't like affiliating with a forum-only site because the RuneScape Wiki has other content so it would make sense for us to affiliate with fan sites that are like ours. Andrew talk 16:34, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
No, not at all we are not using you as a way to get new members. How would it make more sense for you to affiliate with a fan site like yours? I'm not trying to knock you but you don't really have forum software, it's just based upon the editing purpose, meaning that it may be a cool idea to affiliate. A lot of people use RuneScape Wikia and I doubt a large percentage of people use the site's forums as it's quite hard to use if they don't like editing with the sites software. Do you get me?  Magic-icon.png Martin Fishing 
We do too have forum software....https://runescape.wiki/w/RuneScape_Forums and of course it makes sense to affiliate with similar fansites because they have simlar goals.Andrew talk 16:47, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Tentative oppose - Going off of what Andrew said, we aren't just a fansite; we're really more like an encyclopedia. We still form a great community, but our goal is not so much to create a fanbase as it is to create a database of information. Therefore, I think the two websites have very different goals and objectives, and would not benefit from partnership/union. Butterman62 (talk) 16:37, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

I see the wikia as an encyclopedia for RuneScape, not the community  Magic-icon.png Martin Fishing 
The entire wiki is community run and your comment is irrelevant anyways. Andrew talk 16:48, November 15, 2009 (UTC
However, I class the community as people who take part in discussion, I see that users contribute, but I see the forums are quite smaller. MartinIsaac 16:57, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - still waiting for an actual reason that we should affiliate with you. Andrew talk 16:47, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

We want to help with the community, we have the same ethics but in a different approach of forums MartinIsaac 16:57, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Comment If your site has only forums, and we already have our own forums, where is the benefit to the wiki affiliating with you? As far as I can tell, an affiliation would (at best) cause our forum contributors to shift to another site over which we have no real control. So I don't see the benefit to us. Can you expand on what we would get out of an affiliation? For example, do your forums have features that ours don't?  :-) Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 17:15, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

First of all I've decided that I'll offer Admin and Mod places to the existing forum admin here, which means that RS Wiki will have the same control as Admin at theRSdaily. Regarding the forums features, I quote:

A lot of thought has gone into the MyBB interface to make it easy to use. MyBB uses a standard discussion board structure, so your visitors will feel familiar with the way MyBB works. Your visitors can use the MyBB user control panel to change the way they view discussions. They can also easily start and reply to discussions and markup their posts. The forum administrators and moderators can use MyBB's inline editing and moderation features to control discussion and keep the forum tidy.

MyBB's administration panel is extensive and allows you to control every aspect of your discussion board. You can easily change the behavior, layout, options and structure of your discussion board. If you want to prevent users from posting more than once every x seconds, you can do that. If you want to enable your users to add a signature to their posts, you can do that too. Adding custom MyCode can be done just as easily as managing the display of posts and threads.

MyBB has one of the most advanced plugin systems found in bulletin boards today. It takes only minutes to install plugins that can make MyBB suit your needs even better. The active and friendly MyBB community has developed a large amount of plugins that are ready to use; amongst them are plugins to show all unanswered threads, extend the forum statistics, show the permissions one has in a forum and many more.

Those are from the softwares website, http://www.mybboard.net -  Magic-icon.png Martin Fishing 

If MyBB is provided by a third party, couldn't we just sign up to it ourselves if we wanted to? Honestly, I don't see any benefit for the wiki to affiliate with your site, and (at the risk of hijacking your proposal), I wonder whether a much better solution would be for your users simply to switch to the wiki instead. After all, anything they can do on your site, they can do here instead. There may be a case to be made for switching to MyBB for our forums rather than continuing to use the forums that Wikia has already provided, but the benefits would have to be significant. But as for the original proposal, I don't see any reason to support it. Sorry I can't be more helpful.  :-| Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 17:41, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
I'm unsure about this, but I think that wikia website admin cannot install software such as MyBB onto their wiki that is hosted by wikia, did that make sense O_o!? Most of my user base use Wikia already for the database but not for the forums. That's my reason for the proposal to affiliate.  Magic-icon.png Martin Fishing 
So the brunt of your proposal is that the MyBB forums are better (easier to use, etc.) than our current forums, and in fact they are so much better that it justifies the move. Is that a fair assessment? Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 19:15, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Andrew. With so little users and content, i don't see how that would be a good reason to affiliate with you. Dragon platebody.pngCeno FlameTalk Contribs # SignDragon chainbody.png 18:58, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Bewilderment about what is offered - I'm just not quite sure what to think about this offer. Forum space is not something we need, nor do I see any "need" for what is offered here for the RS Wiki (other than advertising/community assistance for the RSWP... all RS fans are certainly welcome to join in that effort), but at the same time I'm not entirely sure what we have to offer here either for this community. A previous Yew Grove suggestion was to make a general directory of RuneScape fan websites, and since this is certainly a unique website... it deserves an entry into any such general directory of places for Runescape fans. Beyond that? I don't know what "affiliation" really can do here. I don't care if a fan site is simply a single fan writing a unique guide, or simply a forum service targeting a specific niche group. About the only reason I would find to exclude a website in any such directory is if they engage in substantial discussion on rule breaking/RWT. Even that would be for promotion of that sort of activity rather than discussion about rule breaking. If there is a group that doesn't like the forums area of this wiki and wants to roll their own... this is a free world, have fun! I don't expect a link to this website on the front page or anything exotic. --Robert Horning 19:16, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Not yet - Martin, thanks for the offer. One of the main criteria we discussed before affiliating with any other site is that they are relatively established. Many new RS sites are created, some stick around, and others fade away. If we linked to every brand new fan site our links list would be cumbersome and quickly out of date. You're welcome to use this thread to ask editors for their support, perhaps you'll gain some interest that way. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 21:22, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean by editor support?

Oppose - Per above, I do believe I mentioned this to you, when you brought the subject up in the clan chat today. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 21:26, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - by offering sysops and forum admins positions on your forums you are making it quite obvious that you want us to abandon our own forums in order to use yours. I will once again repeat that there is nothing that we would benefit from and I could care less about a few little forum perks. If we really wanted to we could spent $150 on an IPB license which would blow your forums out of the water. Andrew talk 22:24, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it is a pretty clever offer so far as the admins on this wiki are (generally) folks who show a fair bit of maturity and are what I would say can be a cut above the typical RuneScape player. Finding high-quality moderators can be a problem for any moderated content, so there would have already been a windowing of the potential applicant base with our administrator application standards. For those who may wish to apply for moderator status, posting a "resume" of having been a fansite moderator in the past certainly would be a plus. That still doesn't give a compelling reason why we should necessarily be involved so significantly on a fansite like this as being a moderator would imply. --Robert Horning 14:52, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Per the lack of a well established community, as well not having much that our own wiki or forums already provide. --Quarenon  Talk 22:25, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - all your "benefits" make it look like you want us to leave our forums for yours as I said. This entire "proposal" disgusts me. Andrew talk 22:30, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Slight oppose for the moment Per Tollerach and everyone Hello71 22:40, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Before this, I've never even heard of your site. Grow a bit, get your user base going, then come back. You don't seem to have much that we don't, and we're already a stable site as we are. Perhaps we can affiliate in the future, but coming out of the blue with nothing on the table to offer wouldn't be right. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 23:39, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Request for Closure

Yes, I realize this is a bit early, but is this ever going to pass (RS:SNOW)? This should be closed (for now) and brought up later (if at all). Hello71 03:31, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

I propose you close this as it's quite obvious certain members of the community are disgusted with the idea of affiliating with a smaller fansite, quite frankly I am disgusted that certain members reacted in the way that they did! Beth, the forum development administrator at thersdaily.net suggested we approach you in good spirit but so many have turned their nose up! There is a sense of hostility amongst the Yew Grove community and therefore withdraw the affiliation proposal, people are more than welcome to join the fansite, which is a fansite as people have stated they feel it shouldn't be called a fansite. And thanks for the opportunity. -Martin 16:37, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
There's a difference between turning our noses and not wanting to be a part of something we don't know for sure is going to still be around in a month.Dragon platebody.pngCeno FlameTalk Contribs # SignDragon chainbody.png 16:47, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
Comment - You can do the same with any forum software, such as myBB and IP Board, but one has a better reputation by larger forums. -Martin 16:37, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
As much as I'd like to say Yes, we'll affiliate, the site is just too new with only a few users at the moment to be sure it'll be around for a long time (I'm not saying it won't, but you never know what might happen, all fansites go through it). That's my sole reason for opposing, not 'stealing our users' (like, wtf?). If you build up your userbase, come back after awhile and I'll happily support affiliation. Though, I agree that some users have been a little too hostile to the idea... Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 18:26, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
What Gaz said. Sorry some people seemed so protective of our forum user base... ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  18:34, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
There is no need to be offended. Maybe in the future, if your website is bigger and we know what we're getting ourselves into, we could consider it, but not now. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 18:51, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
As Gaz said, we aren't going to affiliate with something that we aren't certain will be strong and good in the next couple months. As you said yourself, you are a new site. Build up a base, get your stuff going, then come back to us, and we'll reconsider. We don't have our noses up, we're looking out for our site, and when your site grows, you'll see it differently. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 20:05, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Notice to Martin - Please do not be offended by some of the users here. Note that as a community it's better to have as much negative feedback to support the growth of a community and website as much as positive support. The negative feedback gives fuel to fix what's wrong and the support offers a backbone to do so. I think your fansite is off to a great start, but as a large established site that we are, we don't tend to jump feet first into something we are un-familiar. Much like I would love to offer your site an endorsement so that we can help your site grow in community I'm afraid others will not see eye to eye with me on this one. To the wiki, as a community and a site dedicated to community building we can't be so secluded to us. Limiting community is so hypocritical when you stop and think about it. Why have a community when you must be excepted by all. It won't work. I think we should congratulate Martin on taking the initiative to develop a site for a common goal we all share. I think it would be great if our community would reach out more to others rather then snuggle all up in ourselves and our traditional ways. Anyways I don't think you should give up Martin, but understand our way of doing things is different then many other sites. We listen to our users so we don't have just one person making the decisions so it's kinda expected when coming here asking that you will get some negative responses. It's not just one person ya gotta convince but a bunch of us and that's hard to do, trust meh, lol. I think your off to a great start. Try to develop your site a bit more so that some of us here can better understand your site and we can have a bit more things to look at. I think if ya do that and than ask, we can monitor your growth a bit more and have a better understanding of what we can offer ya. Thanks!

Bonziiznob Talk

20:49, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

And to all, I don't personally think the aim is to migrate our users to another site. Google does that when you search RuneScape Fansite and get's another one besides ours. That's not what we are doing. I think we should simply offer this site an endorsement to help it's community grow. 20:53, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
That's your opinion. Andrew talk 21:29, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
It's time to pull your nose outta your ass Soldier. Please message me when you got time. Sorry for posting on the archived thread. 05:22, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Closed - at OP's request. Andrew talk 02:19, November 17, 2009 (UTC)