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{{Messagebox |title = (Example only) Stub Article |message = [[File:Stub.png|50px|left]]This article is a stub. You can help by expanding it. }}

After discussing changes with [[Template:Messagebox]] with Matthew2602, I figured all the templates should have a matching style. I am putting this consensus together to ensure that we all have a fair opinion on whether the current templates should be changed to have the new look or retain the old look.

An example of a template that has already been changed (which I have created) is [[Template:BXPW]].

A general list of templates that would be subject to this change are: Stub, Inuse, Under Construction, etc.

Please give any feedback regarding this topic. I would greatly appreciate everyone's opinion.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BrenRS (talk).

Discussion

Comment - It's hard to read and doesn't match the wiki theme at all. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 04:40, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Hard to read? How do you play RS then? (Just wondering...)- Bren 06:31, July 8, 2012 (UTC)
I find it hard to read as well. There's not enough colour contrast going on there, while there is more in RuneScape What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 13:17, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Question - what do these templates do? Bluefire2  Choose OptionMy page Talk to me! Edit my sig pl0x Guestbook pl0xOil4 I made this 04:52, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

These templates don't do anything other than make the basic design of what would be "all our templates". Hair 04:55, July 8, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for answering my question, I always knew you could read my mind >_> {{Signatures/Brenr|~~~~~}} 06:31, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - When I first I came to the wiki, I thought that the templates should look the same so I would recognize it as a template, but after being here for a while, each design/shape/color is easy to recognize and I don't know if it'd recognize it any other way. Our current templates are easier to describe for users too, such as "I saw that green template.. it had, uh, a base of a tree on the left..." Everyone would know that it's the stub template. But if a user said "It was that template that looked like all the others." If we were going to give each template the same layout though, I do not want to use that template at all. I don't like the idea of having a "main idea" on top and "summary" on bottom, plus the colors doesn't work well with the wiki's theme. There is no benefit from the change, it would just make things harder for everyone, so I see absolutely no redo all the templates to have a "new look." Hair 04:55, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Strong oppose - Sorry, but this is extremely ugly. What is wrong with the current stub template? I don't think it's good at all to have all our templates have the same design. I.e. now, I can look and when I see the blob of red that my brain recognises as half a dragon sq shield a tenth of a second later I know that the page is incomplete. I don't even have to read the template. Newer users would have to, but then they'd automatically store it in their memory archive. It's just harder for everyone is everything looks the same, and it's not very pretty too. Also, per Hair. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 06:16, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

It's not just the stub template, it will be for all of them. I'm not sure how you think it's ugly... RS must look ugly to you then :O - Bren 18:41, July 8, 2012 (UTC)
Stub is an example. And yes, I am unhappy with the current ugly interfaces. They look un-RuneScapey. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 06:04, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - Maybe if our theme was something like that, but it's not. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 06:32, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - I like not being completely dependant on Jagex style options, and the theme employed on RS at the moment is temporary until they decide they want another revamp. Whose to say we won't be left behind, unable to replicate the new theme satisfactorily and stuck with what people are going to see as unimaginative design choices? The current template format looks fine to me and why fix what isn't broken? cqm 11:03,8/7/2012 (UTC) (UTC)

Also, why does the example at the top take so long to load? There's a good few seconds between the background appearing with the initial page load and the text appearing. cqm 11:04,8/7/2012 (UTC) (UTC)
I don't notice it taking too long to load for me... I have very bad internet as well. If I live out in the country and have almost close to dial-up internet, then I believe you have something wrong with your connection, sorry to say it. {{Signatures/Brenr|~~~~~}} 18:41, July 8, 2012 (UTC)
It takes several seconds for it to load for me too, just like how it takes a few seconds for your personal js to load when you open big pages. I have an excellent connection. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 20:48, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - So I herd you like templates so I put {{messagebox}} in your {{stub}}? Templates are varied, yet recognisable enough right now. Also, the template could indeed be slow, as the RS font needs to be loaded and there's a chunk of CSS with data URIs involved. Furthermore I don't generally like using tables for layout, and all the empty cells in the template source are a perfect argument for why not. dictature 13:12, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

I've been web-designing for 12 years. I think I know what I'm doing... I believe that's all that needs to be said. :) I guess I could include the fact that it is only a few KB more in file size... just want to point that out there so you know how dumb you sound when you say it will slow it down. Data URIs are very ideal for this and it is a very fast template to load considering the detail. {{Signatures/Brenr|~~~~~}} 18:41, July 8, 2012 (UTC)
For the record, it took me more than 5 seconds to load the template. He isn't the one that sounds dumb ;). bad_fetustalk 23:57, July 8, 2012 (UTC)
You're definitely BSing if you say it takes 5 seconds... that's a bit of an over-exaggeration.- Bren 01:21, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
eh? I did not. As a matter of fact, I thought the template above was supposed to be empty as it didn't load the text for so long. bad_fetustalk 02:26, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
I too had to wait four or five seconds for the text to load, but it disappeared after a split second, the template morphed in width and I had to wait another three seconds. For a moment, I though the proposal would be gif's instead of templates. Also, twelve years? O_o Twelve years ago, I was probably just able to construct four-word-sentences with my developing brainsies. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 06:08, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
...You've been web designing since you were 6, Bren? What kind of trolling is this? sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 06:46, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
I actually have, thank you very much. I was actually applying thermal paste to processors and mounting heat sinks to processors when I was around that age as well - just to let you know... so there's no trolling at all... you must be mistaking.  BREN 02:30, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
You do realise that doesn't exactly count as web-designing for 12 years..? bad_fetustalk 16:54, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - Our current templates are fine as they are. Your design does not fit our theme whatsoever, and the colours you have chosen do not go well together. Also, I too have noticed the problem with loading What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 13:17, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

What should be done about the loading then? They are image URIs (most efficient way)... all images take a little while to load, it's with all images, get used to it because it will never change. Anything takes time to load, come on.. just think about that.  BREN 02:30, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
Aye, they take a few seconds to load, but not like this template. This template loads each individual piece one after the other. First the background, then the stump, then the text. This problem does not occur with the current templates, so why change from them? What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 02:33, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - it doesn't fit with the theme of this wiki at all, and therefore looks out of place. And I also have noticed the loading problem with the example above. And, as others have noted, regular users are used to the template styles we have now. We know at a glance what they are and what they say about the page they're on. If it ain't broke, why fix it? Small recharge gem.png AnselaJonla Slayer-icon.png 13:21, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

It's not a loading problem... all images take a little while to load, there's nothing that can be done about it unless you're on extremely fast internet, then the loading will be a lot less noticeable.  BREN 02:30, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
Actually, the stub appears almost immediately, the text takes a while. Btw, could you please make your signature a template? ;) User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 06:40, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Strong oppose - Simply put, we aren't as black as the actual RuneScape game. The templates clash horribly with our light browns and light browns. Also, like some others mentioned, each template has a distinctive style that we can all recognise quickly. 222 talk 03:34, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - The font-family runescape takes four seconds to load for me and the template is not colorblind friendly (even I have a hard time reading it). On another note, your signature needs fixing as it's placing all the styles onto the page rather than data from a template. I wouldn't mind have similar styles, but different colors between each one (an example of all have squared or rounded borders/set height/width). Ryan PM 05:31, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - I should think that the proposal hinges on the standardisation of templates to something similar to each other, not necessarily this template. If the reason you are opposing is because of that, you aren't opposing the proposal and would be better served by suggesting a new template to standardise them all by! --Cycloneblaze (user - talk) 10:24, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

However, I personally oppose the proposal - I like the templates quite as they are, thank you. (Though I don't get all the different disambiguation templates [a lot of pages have their own], they add a nice touch!) --Cycloneblaze (user - talk) 10:24, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
There are multiple diambig templates. Notice the various options here.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cåm (talk).

Request for closure - It's obvious that the community doesn't approve of this proposal. Hair 15:26, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Closed - There is no consensus to replace various templates with [[Template:Messagebox|Messagebox]]. ɳex undique 20:07, July 15, 2012 (UTC)