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"Suggested gear"-template

I think we should make a template that shows players what the suggested gear is. Thoughts? . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 09:11, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

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If you're talking about the way we present the recommended equipment for monsters, I agree that it sucks (see Mature_grotworm#Recommended_Gear as an example). I'm all for making it better and standardizing it, but do you have any suggestions? ʞooɔ 09:36, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I'm not much of an editor... but I was thinking about using a Template:Navbox-like lay-out, maybe with Worn Equipment icons to make it quick to spot... do you understand what I'm saying? . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . .
Tormented_demon/Strategies#Recommended_equipment_lists is an example of a more organised format. However, it may not be ideal when there are many suitable items in one slot. Void knight seal (8).png VoidKnightscTalkGuthix's Book of Balance.png 10:03, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - Just add a pic. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 10:06, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - We have {{Template:Equipment}}. Would that not suffice for the most part? I realise I doens't cover suggested inventory, but that can be added in as a pic, or put in list format if necessary. It would be nice if it showed the bonuses too though. cqm talk 10:48, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

And we have inventorytables for suggested inventory setups (example, scroll down that page for more examples) JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 10:53, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
The equipment template seems nice, but the problem is they go from 'better to worse', like VoidKnightsc shows in his Tormented demon suggestion. I like that idea, but it's not entirely superb, couldn't we make it so that you have multiple equipment templates, that you could just click through, as if they are pages - like you can sometimes do with images online? Same goes for the inventory thingy. And canw e maybe combine them? . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 11:54, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps we could use a tabber like Fswe does for his images? Although that would likely command full width of the page, but if it works then it's a small price to pay. cqm talk 11:59, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Support new template; strong oppose Template:Equipment and tabber - Neither or the already suggested abilities are practical, I think. The equipment template doesn't allow a list of recommended equipment, and most importantly, doesn't actually say the equipment name. I'm sorry, but I strongly oppose using just items, as equipment too often has obscure icons and players won't recognize many. The linked tip.it page also doesn't seem to be at all related to the proposal (though I do agree it would be cool to add).

At any rate, I agree, the list format sucks. Time after time, I've converted them to tables. It'd be so much easier if they ended up as tables the first time, but that's beyond our ability to control. I do, though, believe that a template would be beneficial and ensuring the standardization of such a table. Ideally, I think it should be a straightforward table that would have a row for each equipment slot, two columns (one with the name and image of the slot, and the other a list of items from "best" to "worst"). If there is no data for that equipment slot, the row should be excluded. I could make a quick mockup of how such a template would look, if anyone wants. Hofmic Talk 05:42, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Support new template - The suggested gear generally is a mess. I would like to see a template mockup, though I have a question. How would we decide what would go in the template? Would there be a limit to how many capes, body armor, leg armor, etc would be suggested? Blaze_fire.png12.png 19:48, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

If we did have a new template, I'd be inclined to say it would be limited to the highest recommended gear, with a list below of alternative equipment. Saves us having 5+ different templates for one tactic. cqm talk 00:52, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - Per Haidro. --Cake detail.pngCaek iz ossumChocolate cake detail.png talk om nom 06:34, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Mock template - Okay, here's a mockup of how such a template could look:

{{User:Hofmic/Sandbox3
|Title = Suggested equipment
|Head = [[Bronze full helm]] > [[Bronze helm]]
|Torso = [[Bronze platebody]] > [[Bronze chainbody]]
|Legs = [[Bronze plateskirt]] > [[Bronze platelegs]]
}}

Would output:

Suggested equipment
Head slot.png Head Bronze full helm > Bronze helm
Torso slot.png Torso Bronze platebody > Bronze chainbody
Legs slot.png Legs Bronze plateskirt > Bronze platelegs

Note that being a mock template, only Head, Torso, and Legs have been implimented, and a full template would sport all equipment slots. Unused slots don't appear in the table. Hofmic Talk 10:11, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Instead of the name of the item, the inventory icon should be used, and the icon should link to the corresponding article. --Cake detail.pngCaek iz ossumChocolate cake detail.png talk om nom 05:13, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
I think it should be in the format <image> <link>. So for example, Bucket.png Bucket. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 12:54, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
And also, there should be a notes section under everything. --Cake detail.pngCaek iz ossumChocolate cake detail.png talk om nom 02:03, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
Replying to the first comment of Sum1 and Joey, we already agreed by consensus that using icons was a no-no. Replying to Sum1's second comment, you'll have to manually add that. The majority of uses of this template won't require such a section, and is best added by hand, if so needed. Hofmic Talk 00:02, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
That was not agreed by consensus --Henneyj 11:16, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
Forum:Images next to text. In lists it is still allowed. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 12:10, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

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[Tab reset] Well it looks to me (from that thread) that the general opinion of the community was that icons next to text were a no-go except in lists (which didn't really have any consensus). However, I when I think lists, I think a bullet list, not a comma separated one (or right triangle bracket), which, format-wise, isn't much different than prose. I just don't think that this would really look good: {C

Suggested equipment
Head slot.png Head Mithril full helm.png Mithril full helm > Mithril med helm.png Mithril helm > Black full helm.png Black full helm > Black helm.png Black helm > Steel full helm.png Steel full helm > Steel med helm.png Steel helm > Iron full helm.png Iron full helm > Iron med helm.png Iron helm > Bronze full helm.png Bronze full helm > Bronze med helm.png Bronze helm
Torso slot.png Torso Mithril platebody.png Mithril platebody > Mithril chainbody.png Mithril chainbody > Black platebody.png Black platebody > Black chainbody.png Black chainbody > Steel platebody.png Steel platebody > Steel chainbody.png Steel chainbody > Iron platebody.png Iron platebody > Iron chainbody.png Iron chainbody > Bronze platebody.png Bronze platebody > Bronze chainbody.png Bronze chainbody

{C

It also makes the syntax extremely bloated: {C

{{User:Hofmic/Sandbox3
|Title = Suggested equipment
|Head = [[File:Mithril full helm.png|link=Mithril full helm]] [[Mithril full helm]] > [[File:Mithril med helm.png|link=Mithril helm]] [[Mithril helm]] > [[File:Black full helm.png|link=Black full helm]] [[Black full helm]] > [[File:Black helm.png|link=Black helm]] [[Black helm]] > [[File:Steel full helm.png|link=Steel full helm]] [[Steel full helm]] > [[File:Steel med helm.png|link=Steel helm]] [[Steel helm]] > [[File:Iron full helm.png|link=Iron full helm]] [[Iron full helm]] > [[File:Iron med helm.png|link=Iron helm]] [[Iron helm]] > [[File:Bronze full helm.png|link=Bronze full helm]] [[Bronze full helm]] > [[File:Bronze med helm.png|link=Bronze full helm]] [[Bronze helm]]
|Torso = [[File:Mithril platebody.png|link=Mithril platebody]] [[Mithril platebody]] > [[File:Mithril chainbody.png|link=Mithril chainbody]] [[Mithril chainbody]] > [[File:Black platebody.png|link=Black platebody]] [[Black platebody]] > [[File:Black chainbody.png|link=Black chainbody]] [[Black chainbody]] > [[File:Steel platebody.png|link=Steel platebody]] [[Steel platebody]] > [[File:Steel chainbody.png|link=Steel chainbody]] [[Steel chainbody]] > [[File:Iron platebody.png|link=Iron platebody]] [[Iron platebody]] > [[File:Iron chainbody.png|link=Iron chainbody]] [[Iron chainbody]] > [[File:Bronze platebody.png|link=Bronze platebody]] [[Bronze platebody]] > [[File:Bronze chainbody.png|link=Bronze chainbody]] [[Bronze chainbody]]
}}

{C

Without the icons that would be: {C

Suggested equipment
Head slot.png Head Mithril full helm > Mithril helm > Black full helm > Black helm > Steel full helm > Steel helm > Iron full helm > Iron helm > Bronze full helm > Bronze helm
Torso slot.png Torso Mithril platebody > Mithril chainbody > Black platebody > Black chainbody > Steel platebody > Steel chainbody > Iron platebody > Iron chainbody > Bronze platebody > Bronze chainbody

{C

{{User:Hofmic/Sandbox3
|Title = Suggested equipment
|Head = [[Mithril full helm]] > [[Mithril helm]] > [[Black full helm]] > [[Black helm]] > [[Steel full helm]] > [[Steel helm]] > [[Iron full helm]] > [[Iron helm]] > [[Bronze full helm]] > [[Bronze helm]]
|Torso = [[Mithril platebody]] > [[Mithril chainbody]] > [[Black platebody]] > [[Black chainbody]] > [[Steel platebody]] > [[Steel chainbody]] > [[Iron platebody]] > [[Iron chainbody]] >  [[Bronze platebody]] > [[Bronze chainbody]]
}}

{C

So yeah, don't really think icons are a good idea. I fail to see what they add, besides a ton of bloat. Hofmic Talk 22:05, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, the icons ruin it. Blaze_fire.png12.png 06:02, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Comment Honestly, I don't see much use in the recommended gears. I mean, I've seen some recommending using torva, or statius, those kind of stuff, but not everyone has those type of gears. And really, for the recommended gear, theres really about combination of about 8 stuff, for weapon type, and for defence type. All the recommended gear is literally, same, except maybe this one suggests a chaotic maul instead of rapier because the monster is weak to crush. But that doesn't really help much. Also, this isn't really useful when you get the combat beta, as the abilities change everything so much. Dragon longsword.png Cire04 TalkAttack.png 01:27, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Bump - This does need a fair bit of more discussion. --LiquidTalk 14:50, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, off-topic. I know this is off topic, but... I've created this discussion, and I've been following it. But for a while now I'm not getting notification mails anymore... Does anyone know what is wrong, can you please help me? Thanks in advance. . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 15:31, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Beta - I don't think we need to wait untill after the beta with the discussion. After the beta we will still have suggestions, maybe even more clear ones, since weaknesses will really be weaknesses then. I was wondering if it's possible to show a Worn Equipment image with recommended equiped items, you could show multiple and use the "[Show]" link to show them or not. I remember that it's possible to show an Inventory picture where you can add items into without needing to make several sceenshots of it, just by typing the item names. Wouldn't that be possible and a good idea? . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 15:31, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, I found it, something like this I mean:
Can't we show this as a reccommended set up:
Title (Melee Bandos) [Show] (by using these templates: {{Template:Equipment}} and {{Template:Inventory}}).
Title (Melee Barrows) [Show] (by using these templates: {{Template:Equipment}} and {{Template:Inventory}}).
etc... . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 15:38, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
Another solution - See suggestion: Forum:Condensing_Infoboxes_with_Switch_Template . . . Yours, This user admires the Void Knights. Who aim to maintain Gielinor's Equilibrium. Enquidou Talk This user likes to do Quests and genuinely loves the story line; lore is his love! . . 17:33, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Request for closure - It's fairly obvious that the discussion has pretty much ended at this point, considering how it's been 3 week since there was a post. I can't close it, but someone should. Blaze_fire.png12.png 17:40, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Closed - There has been no real discussion since June 24 and with numerous issues still to be discussed and agreed upon, there is no consensus at the moment to implement a suggested gear table. 222 talk 11:28, July 30, 2012 (UTC)