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There are many stubs on the Wiki; they should have a section on the main page so they can be expanded, like "Featured Images", but articles that lack, and need more. The stubs in it should be voted for, and voters should decide whether or not it could be expanded. After 7 days, and a consensus is reached, it will be a SOTM. When in the main page, it will be randomized. After the stub tag is removed, it will be removed from SOTM.

Proposal: Add a "Stub Of The Moment" to Main Page.


Support - As nominator sig1.png Spam me w/ lolcatsPottery statuette detail.png Is <insert name here> awesome? I don't know, let me check... 23:53, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I see a flaw...What if it gets expanded while being nominated? scoot4.pngscooties 23:57, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Expansion is the point, to shed light to forgotten stubs, and when it is expanded enough, it will be removed from SOTM sig1.png Spam me w/ lolcatsPottery statuette detail.png Is <insert name here> awesome? I don't know, let me check... 00:00, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Support The main point is to make it expanded. And once it does, it'll automatically be de-listed as a non-Stub and its placeholder shall be removed on the (hopefully) future "Stub-of-the-moment" feature. Fruit.Smoothie 00:57, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - This is a very bureaucratic way of performing a simple task. Perhaps adding a link to the stubs category on the main page would be more helpful. there are currently 93 (and that number will update itself on this page should more be added) stubs on the wiki, and I can think of no way to measure which should be nominated. I can also see us adding a random list of three or so stubs to [[Mediawiki:community-corner|The Community Corner]] Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 01:39, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Steler. scoot4.pngscooties 01:42, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I am just brainstorming and have not fully thought this idea through so this might be a failure of an idea, but I will say it anyway. How about we have in the community portal the 3 chosen stubs which need to be expanded. When one of those stubs are expanded, then a new stub is randomly chosen to take its place and whoever the main expander(s) were gets a point on the points tally. At the end of the month whoever as the most points gets an amazing reward, such as the ability to use a special userbox, a banner like the starlight award or Evil Yanks' eternal blessing (the best reward of all)?? This should hopefully stimulate people to expand more stubs. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 01:53, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

But then there will be like 3 million people fighting over 3 articles. Might be a little chaotic and hard to choose a 'main expander'. scoot4.pngscooties 02:02, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
The stub will only be in the community portal for as long as it takes for it to be expanded and someone notice and change it. There shouldn't be that many community portal readers that manage to make large revisions to an article before it is changed. I don't think that picking a main expander would be such a problem either since there it an obvious line between someone who is making small changes (like fixing spelling or adding a sentence of new information) to larger, expanding changes ([re]writing a bunch of sentences). Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 03:46, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
Comment - I like the idea a lot, but see quite a few flaws. Like Tua said, many people may edit war over it, and it is also hard to define who may be the major expander. One person may add a couple of sentences, then another will add even more info than that. It also will create rivalry, not necessarily good rivalry, between editors and spark disagreements when the "winner expander" is chosen. We also still do not have a proper stub policy that defines what a stub is. And, an inexperienced editor may just add one sentence to the stub, and remove the template, just so he can claim his "point". I can think of many more problems, but don't get me wrong, I like the idea. Lol Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 04:05, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
You can probably solve most of those problems by only allowing admins to end chosen stub things (like vfds) and by making a rule which says that if there is any doubt if someone deserves points or not, don't give them the points, thus justifying every decision by the admin over whether to award points or not. This wouldn't solve many problems though so it is probably easier just to forget about the idea. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 04:40, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
NOoNoNnpnononoNOno0! I love the idea, it just needs some refining. I am always looking for something to do, and a nominated group of stubs'd be great! (maybe I should get around to tending to my WikiGuilds, half finished projects, and long list of things to do) Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 08:25, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Please check out Bulbapedia's approach to this. I like how they don't choose featured stubs, but they are randomly generated. That way every stub has a chance of getting some extra attention, and I do think that this will help the unstubbifying of stubs. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 08:29, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Thats atually where I got the idea :D sig1.png Spam me w/ lolcatsPottery statuette detail.png Is <insert name here> awesome? I don't know, let me check... 21:59, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Tollerach's Proposal

This was broken off into its own section as it is being treated as another proposal in and of itself.

Idea - How about putting it on the community portal instead of the main page. I think main page content should generally be refined and top quality, but this seems like a perfect addition to the community portal. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 08:30, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Agree - Yes, the main page is the central place for viewers. The Community Portal is the central place for editors. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 11:46, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Agree - I like Tollerachs idea Swiz Talk Review Me 10:53, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per above. I broke this off into its own section so it can be treated as a proposal. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 16:45, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per all FredeTalk 16:46, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - I don't really like the idea of this. Most stubs will probably be unstubbified during their nomination, so it wouldn't really be useful. Also, I'm not sure whether putting this on the community portal would be that good. On the main page, it would be noticed a lot easier, which would make sure they get unstubbified faster. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 17:12, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I agree kind of. I think they should be randomised, like on Bulbapedia (link above). That way there is no selection process we need to work out, no decisions we have to make and everything is just simpler. People will see maybe 3 or 4 stubs in a little section and encouraged to unstubify them. They can then improve it how they can, and either remove the stub template, or mark them for stub removal (in that case, another editor or 2 will have to confirm the article is good enough to be marked above a stub). But it should be on the community portal. Look at the main page, it is all about content and information. The CP is for editors looking for something to do. I don't know though, all ideas. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 04:44, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Could we put a small box on the front page saying "Stub of the moment" or "Help this stub" and it brings you to a random stub that needs work?--Degenret01 04:49, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Isn't that what the sticky note thing does? scoot4.pngscooties 04:56, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
What? Where?--Degenret01 05:07, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
Well its okay idea (Chrome looks really weird right now...) Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 05:01, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
This Picture7-2.jpg scoot4.pngscooties 05:15, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
I do not see that anywhere. Did you have to enable it or did I disable it so long ago I forgot? I use the basic layout (whatever that means) on Firefox.--Degenret01 05:19, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
You must have Disabled it i guess. But a link to find the list of them is here. I noticed it doesn't have an expand section for stubs. Maybe we could just add to that if we can figure out how? That would solve most of our problems yes? scoot4.pngscooties 05:27, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
I can't even figure out to re-enable it, but if it will show up for everyone else, yea it sounds like a good answer.--Degenret01 05:58, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
I'll look around and try and find it >.<. scoot4.pngscooties 06:00, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
It's on Special:MyHome Lol Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 06:21, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, top right corner Swiz Talk Review Me 11:06, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, that. I thought the idea was to give it a bit of attention on the main page. Whoever uses "My home"?--Degenret01 11:10, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
Wikia staff and that's it. ^_^ Chicken7 >talk 13:24, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
I use "My Home" all the time!!! sig1.png Spam me w/ lolcatsPottery statuette detail.png Is <insert name here> awesome? I don't know, let me check... 17:03, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
I don't lmao buttt idk just put that option out there. scoot4.pngscooties 19:22, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
Support - I like this idea; and don't really want to clog up the main page. Ajraddatz Talk 02:49, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Final proposal

The above discussion has kind of drawn off into who likes MyHome or not. This final proposal is implementing all of the above ones. Tell me what you think. I am working on a new RuneScape:Community Portal with User:Quarenon and some other people; as planned, this one will have much more things to do, look a lot more appealing, attempt to get the community more involved and not be a list of links! Anyway, a box will be put on the new Community Portal named "Expansion". It will randomly list maybe 5 stubs, listed from the stubs category obviously. There will also be a "refresh" button, if the stubs listed aren't ones that appeal to the user. The list is obviously different for every user, because it randomly selects them. One thing that I'm not fully sure about. Should other admins/users have to check the stub before removing it from the stubs category, or allow any user to remove the stub template and unmark it as a stub? Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 06:03, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

I think allow any to unmark the stub. I have seen a few cleared up by IPs that look good enough, and I think every edit by an unknown is looked at so much there shouldn't be an issue. So this means the little "stub needs help" box will NOT appear on the main page?--Degenret01 10:54, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

In my honest opinion, the main page is for wiki visitors and viewers. The Community Portal is for editors and the community. But it is in a very poor state. Hopefully, having the stub box on the CP will draw more users there along with the many other ideas I have. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 11:51, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

The stub tag should be free to be removed, but then if it is, the article is added to a secret list for an admin to check sig1.png Spam me w/ lolcatsPottery statuette detail.png Is <insert name here> awesome? I don't know, let me check... 11:04, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Why would that list be secret, and why can only admins check it? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 08:33, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
That may be a slight violation of RS:AEAE, but then again, if we did have that list, we wouldn't want users creating fake accounts to confirm their stub removals. I am neutral on this "list". Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 13:24, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
I've noticed that the new community portal has been launched but the stubs are only mentioned with a stub count and a link to the stub category. Are we still planning to add the random list of stubs on there? --Quarenon  Talk 06:21, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
The plan is to implement this, although again it boils down to who can be bothered doing it. Later this week when I create a thread about the new CP, I'll list this idea as one that needs to be implemented. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 03:54, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done - SotM added to list of suggestions for the CP. Chicken7 >talk 05:17, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Well, the new community portal was implemented, and instead of a "Stub of the moment" we have given Stubs a small section of the #Content section of the Community Portal. The number of stubs (shown to the left) is automatically updated when Category:Stubs is updated. I truly don't think we need a "stub of the moment" when we have over 9,000 4,000 of them. How would we even code a "stub of the moment" anyway? Would it randomly pick an article from the category and display it? Well, it seems to me that we've already made a good enough change. Anything more would be overkill. Do others agree? Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 06:59, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

I was actually testing the idea I originally suggested above in my Sandbox (See here). I have actually made quite a bit of progress. One user I showed it to suggested it be merged into the Content box. I don't think his testing received good results. I also found out that multiple DPLs (Dynamic Page Lists - Coding I used to generate stub list) cause extreme lag. So, opinions? Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 07:24, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
That looks great Chicken, nice job Lol. I think that's better off in it's own box than merged with Content. I'll support it if you can find a way to randomize what shows up in the list Wink. Currently, even after purging the page, I still see the same stubs (Same goes for the other categories). Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 20:30, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Porp's destubbing idea

How about the stub tag is kept unchangeable, rather after 2 months after entering SOTM, the community votes on whether or not it can be destubbed, and if the is actual information to add. If it can be dastubbed, the tag will be removed and it will be removed from SOTM; but if there is no info to add, the tag is kept, but it is no longer a SOTM. sig1.png Spam me w/ lolcatsPottery statuette detail.png Is <insert name here> awesome? I don't know, let me check... 22:28, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Overly bureaucratic, IMO. I think it'd be better to just show a random stub using DPL (I'm sure we could do that, right?). Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 22:31, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
It should be easy, Gaz. But I'm not making any promises. I was trying to steal the coding from another website so I didn't have to work, but I'll have to work, because it seems not one other wiki has done this before. Bulbapedia has featured stubs. I'll give the coding some testing on my Sandbox, later. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 01:31, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - There is no consensus, however, I recommend Tollerach propose his idea on a separate, cleaner thread so it can be looked at again. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 16:48, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Tollerach proposed adding it to the CP instead; add what? Also, for any who are interested, testing is being continued and will be added to the Community Portal without another Yew Grove, as there was no opposition here. Chicken7 >talk 07:46, June 14, 2010 (UTC)