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I don't know about you guys, but when I go to load the Yew Grove page nowadays, it lags my computer very badly. Even typing this right now is causing massive lag in RS because it has to add to 127 kb of data whenever I type something. I think the Yew Grove should be split up into subpages to combat lag. According to what I've been told recently, most discussions on this page are not usually ready to be archived. (This is ridiculous. Typing that sentence actually lagged me out.) Okay, no more typing for now lest my comp crash. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 22:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

130kb of data, especially text, should not be a problem even on a standard dialup connection. If your computer is slow in the first place, the last thing you should be trying to do is multitask. Splitting up the yew grove would be a pain in the rear end. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 22:14, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
How so? It'd be easy to create "RuneScape:Yew Grove/Policy discussion" and "RuneScape:Yew Grove/Site discussion" or something like that. (Those are just names I pulled from nowhere.) It would also be easy to put a template at the top of the Yew Grove page informing people about the different categories and where their posts should go. I don't see the change being a huge problem, and I know I'm not the only one with lag issues. (read:Karlis) --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 22:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
My computer at work lags REALLY BAD in the Yew Grove. I think subpages for discussions would be a viable option. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 22:16, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. My isn't as bad, but still lags a lot when I try to get on... --Rollback crown.svg Spencer (Talk | Edits | Contribs) 22:28, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I guess it would not be too bad, my only concern is discussions getting lost or being moved around for not being in the right place. If we did split it, we should just cut it into half or thirds, and not worry about putting each one into a category. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 00:26, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I am neutral. I agree with Tebuddy; if you wanted to see every part of the Grove, you would have to load every page. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 00:32, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

So how about like we did with Treasure Trails? Full version or Lag reduced version optional for each user. If this isn't feasible for some techie reason don't slam me, I don't know techie stuff.--Degenret01 04:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Support - As stated by Degenret01 Buzz (Talk#P ) 08:15, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Support - I see no side effects, only good effects! =) Prayer Jediadam4 (Talk) Bandosgodsword.gif 09:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Support Degenret's idea. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 12:21, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Have you considered a wiki forum? A lot of wikis find that a good way of keeping track of conversations once they grow too big for one page. See the [[Wikia:Forum:Index|Central forums]] for an example -- sannse<staff /> (talk) 19:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I edit from work, and am unable to view forums at work. This is actually one of the very few wiki's I can view at work. I'd hate to lose access to our community discussion. =( Karlis (talk) (contribs) 19:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Wiki forums are just wiki pages, like this one. The only difference is in the way they are organised. So if you can view and edit this page, you would be fine with wiki forums :) -- sannse<staff /> (talk) 19:19, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Oh that's neat! I agree with sannse, wiki forum! =D Karlis (talk) (contribs) 19:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Before we get a general consensus , I think we should see an example of a wiki forum so we can know if we really like it or not. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 02:42, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
It would require a lot of work. I think if we did this, we would have to move the archives to this forum as well as we would no longer be making them. Would take a lot of work and hours to set up, but I am willing to help if this is the census. I have a neutral opinion on the forum idea. 04:21, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
TEbuddy: here's some random examples: [[Wikia:Forum:Index|the Central Forums]] - quite a basic set up which shows how you might start. [[w:c:starwars:Forum:Index|Wookieepedia]] - which shows more customisation. [[w:c:communitytest:Forum:Index|the Community Test wiki]] which has a starter set of forums, which you are welcome to play around with (CT is a test wiki for the whole Wikia community).
Bonziiznob: I would recommend not trying to move the archives, those can stay in place and just be linked to from the main forum page. Future topics would not need archiving (unless a thread got very long) you just allow them to fall off the bottom of the listing, and remain in the forum categories - although some wikis do have fancy ways of archiving topics. The set up doesn't take long, although you would probably want to customise it over time. I've done the basic set up many times, so could do that for you if you want. Or there are instructions at Help:Wiki-style forum set up.
-- sannse<staff /> (talk) 12:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
I see, well, then I support. 17:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Support using the wiki-style forums. The wiki-style forums are more compatible, cleaner looking, and simpler to deal this. Although I wonder how we would setup having forum admins for them, I am sure that is easily possible. It is definitely ironic about how we are wanting back to the wiki style. Maybe now Wikia can hide them from Recent Changes. I would say that is the main requirement for us to switch back. :) - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 20:44, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

We actually used to use wiki forums here, until about June 2007. There was a community consensus to move the forums to a phpBB style site. The reason was because they were clogging up the recent changes, among other things. I actually find it a little funny how these wiki-based forums are so new and fantastic to you guys, but they're so old-sk00l to me. I still support if the use of wiki forums is limited to discussion about the wiki.

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22:22, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Hah this is kind of funny, yeah I remember when we used to have wiki-style forums and the community decided to get rid of them, now seems like the community wants them back. Kind of funny that the community changed so quickly in such a (fairly) short time. Anyway I personally like wiki-style forums a lot better than PHP forums like the RSW has now.--Richardtalk 21:06, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Strong Support Sannse's idea. We should bring back the Forum: namespace, and make it the new Yew Grove. It would be used only for wiki discussion. We would keep the Beta forums for everything else. Having a wiki discussion forum would be a lot better than the long, complicated lagging Yew Grove we have now. This way, discussions wouldn't get lost on the whole page. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 02:17, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Support The current yew grove lags horribly, and it is hard to navigate. Switching to using wiki-style forums would be a huge improvement. --Template:Signatures/ma44040 03:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Support the idea of splitting up the Yew Grove into sub-pages. I'm opposed to Sannse's idea of bringing back the "forums" like on Wikia Central for a basic reason: It breaks up the communication about what was going on with the wiki. One of the reasons why the Yew Grove is being used at all is due to the fact that major decision making about the wiki was not happening on the forums, and that the forum community is somehow split from the wiki development community. I don't know entirely why this is the case but it is happening. I'd like to suggest that by bringing back the "wiki-style" forums would only create a third community and further fracture the community. That the Yew Grove is filling up too fast may be true, but we need to keep the wiki development community together here and not shove new toys at everybody. --Robert Horning 14:29, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm fine with anything that gets rid of the lag. I know people who don't go in the Yew Grove to vote in important discussions because it takes too long to load. I see your point about the wiki forums, but wouldn't the forums be a lot like the subpage idea? If we advertised it the same, it seems like it would be just like subpages, just more organised and easier to navigate through. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 03:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Support Sannse's idea - Replace the current forums and Yew Grove with the old wiki style forums and reserve them for discussion directly related to the wiki. The current forums have very little use to the wiki as a whole, and most forum users do not edit the wiki (and vice versa). The wiki style forums are also much more convenient for wiki discussions than the Yew Grove. Dtm142 17:40, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Support - This page is far too long, I got logged off of RS for adding this comment. I'm leaning towards the forum idea because it seems that the forum would automatically limit page size, while the subpage idea would not. Even if each dicussion was given its own page, some of these dicussions get pretty long (especially political ones). A forum would easily allow an individual discussion to be broken up into appropriate sized pages. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 04:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Also I was strolling thru wikipedia (I know we're not them) and saw there policy on article length at article length page. They suggest splitting up articles between 30-60K, and more strongly for 60K+. I think this is some good food for thought, for all articles, especially since many of our users are playing RS while on the wiki. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 03:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Support for wiki-style forums, as I found through the links above to examples. I admit that I can scarcely bring myself to read the YG lately (let alone bring up another topic) because there is just SO much. My only concern would be that ideally we would want topics automatically divided up into pages of (for example) 10 posts to combat lag. However, it is a small price to pay if we won't have that. I agree with Dtm142 - I hardly ever use the wiki forums as they are now. Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 05:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Support - While my work and main PC do just fine with loading the Yew Grove, my laptop doesn't. I would like to have a full and condensed version of the Yew Grove as stated by Degen. Rollback crown.svg Spencer (Talk | Edits | Contribs) 05:39, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Support - My laptop loads the Yew Grove fine, but ugh, whenever I type something my screen freezes for a couple seconds before responding. I would love a wiki-style forum if it gets rid of the lag, which means I will visit it more.  Tien  12:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Support: I love the wiki style forums on central wiki, using them here would be most excellent --Rollback crown.svgAburnett001 {Talk} {#} 20:29, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Comment: I have a screenshot of what this might look like: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3381/3345462648_aebf81c225.jpg, although I am still deciding how to manage the archives.

  • Archive in a central archive like currently.(Archive on the Archive wiki forum, group archiving)
  • Archive in a central archive like currently.(Archive on normal pages, grouped archiving)
  • Or, archive on a per page basis.(Using the Archive wiki forum, single topic archiving) - I prefer this one.

TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 22:52, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I have contacted Sannse in an effort to get this implemented, as it appears a consensus for support has been reached.

Bonziiznob Talk

06:41, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, so this is set up at Forum:Index. You may want to redirect this page to there once it's archived, and look at changing any links to here. If you find the need to have sub-forums then just edit the index page - I left a second forum in there but commented out as a reference. Let me know if you need any help with tweaking it to work for you -- sannse<staff /> (talk) 12:04, 12 March 2009 (UTC)