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This thread was archived on 13 July 2010 by Aburnett.

After reading something about what happened in the CC, I'm going to take it on to mention it here as a possibility.

As some may know that when Sannse created this forum so we could merge the Yew Grove onto it, I helped with a bit of the setup. There used to be a place called Forum:Index, but you can see it's been changed to a redirect. If you check it's history 1, you can see though that is used to link to the Yew Grove section of the forums. If people are wishing, we could make use of this and move out some of the common discussions from the Yew Grove and make them their own forum...?

Something like moving all Clan Chat discussion and issues from the Grove and placing them in it's own forum called Clan Chat. All clan chat issues and concerns could then be posted there rather then directly in the grove. The grove could then be used for more practical "wiki" issues and addresses rather then an ingame concern. Similar to the Wikifest. If we created a forum for "events", we could make a good medium for players to run their own events and a nice place to create the wikifest outside of the yew grove. So, if you see the history link above, you would now have "Yew Grove", which links to what we use now, "Clan Chat", where we can address all these concerns we always have (still separately), and "Events", where we can plan and run events a bit easier (still separately)...

Just an idea, pick it apart or support it as you choose. I can make an example if you guys don't understand the above. Just ask.

Bonziiznob Talk

00:48, May 3, 2010 (UTC)


Support - I think it could open up a some more options, either now or in the future. We are at an all time high for articles and contributors....we should provide better mediums for some things.

Bonziiznob Talk

00:48, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Forum:Index (and all the other stuff you were talking about) have been moved to, hence why they aren't here anymore. For this reason, I oppose their re-creation, since there's no point. Ajraddatz Talk 01:23, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Nah, someone just redirected forum:index to the yg, it would still function like normal. FPJBucket detail.pngrwojy 01:24, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
Additionally, having more than one "business forum" makes it harder for people to find threads. Also, those CC threads should just be banned :S Ajraddatz Talk 01:29, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
There are situations when ranks are need to have their rank removed or users need to be banned from the clan chat. This sometimes requires community discussion. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 21:33, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Ajr. Also, I don't see the problem with having CC discussions in the YG. The YG is the place that gets the most attention, so it's better for discussions to take place there than, say, the RSW Forums. --LiquidTalk 01:25, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - We don't get Clan Chat or Event discussions here that often. It makes sense to simply keep it all on one page. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 01:26, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Support for Clan Chat. I disagree that they don't happen that often. It's about 1 in every 5 topics, and they are completely unprofessional in general, they display a level of maturity that is not consistent with the Wiki as a whole, and (most importantly) they are for an offsite feature! I'm not saying we can't provide some area for offsite decisions/discussions, but the Yew Grove has the description: The Yew Grove is a page where community members can discuss larger changes to the wiki, such as policy proposal or suggestions to substantially redesign high-traffic content pages. Not only do I think they don't belong here, I think we would need a community decision to allow them to STAY here. I've been letting them go since it seems to have become convention, but the YG never should have been the place for this. Endasil (Talk) @  01:59, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

I was a bit quick in reviewing the proposal and hastily supported. I support that CC discussions should be off of the YG but I don't think another set of forums is the answer. I like Chicken's idea of moving it to a discussion page. Endasil (Talk) @  22:32, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral clan chat, Oppose events - I like the general idea (a lot), but not so much what has been proposed. I like how the only actual "forum" hosted at the wiki namespace is the Yew Grove, where we have official discussions. And all the other stuff (not concerning wiki-supported features) can go on the Forums. What I thought would be better is a talk page, instead. RuneScape talk:Clan Chat or RuneScape talk:Off-site/Clan Chat could suffice. That way, discussions are out of the way of official discussions. Any CC issues should not interfere with wiki business, but they are. A lot of our users on the wiki hardly ever enter the CC, and most of the players in our CC hardly ever edit the wiki. I think it's a win-win situation for all. I just think a WHOLE new forum for the CC is just a bit too much for something we shouldn't be giving too much precedence. Chicken7 >talk 06:02, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

I've you've seen the length of the recent CC topics on the grove, you'll know that this talk page would quickly fill up with lag unless we archived it all the time. A forum would house these many topics, and it would be a lot less demanding. 11:37, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
Edit: On the topic of events, I really do not think this is something that belongs on the actual wiki website. We have many other areas we can do this. We can use the Facebook page to advertise events. We have a forum section dedicated to it. I've already suggested an "Events" section be added to the Community Portal, if anyone is willing to design it. Etc. Chicken7 >talk 12:38, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I say just leave it how it is otherwise we will end up with 10 different forums and then it would just get really complicated, it might not but also just having 1 forum is easier.Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 06:55, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Proposal - Make a new "Yew Grove"-like thing. Perhaps "Varrock Alley". Yew Grove can has discussions about changes to the wiki and Varrock Alley can just be discussions about everything else such as events and recent happenings like the CC issue. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 07:06, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Please tell me you mean "Varrock" Slayer Timwac talk Fire cape.png 08:14, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
yeah :P ...I'm tired ok, 1am here Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 08:19, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
I think we should stick to the tree theme, something like Oak Hill would be good, I guess.   Swizz Talk   Events!   15:42, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
Trees ftl. bad_fetustalk 16:03, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
Well, I disagree with naming it after a town, something like an ore or a tree or a fish, any resource is better then a Town.   Swizz Talk   Events!   16:41, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
Runite hill? O_O bad_fetustalk 18:20, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
>_> Eww. I still think we should stick to trees, Willow would be nice :3   Swizz Talk   Events!   18:55, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
Meh, let's keep it simple CC Discussions?   Swizz Talk   Events!   19:11, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
I prefer Oak Grove. O_o --LiquidTalk 19:13, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - As for the Events section, I think this would be a great opportunity

to include our editors more. If we give them a medium to host there wiki-events, I think it may take off pretty well. Perhaps if we added a new template to the mainpage, we could offer the community a new medium for communication. Mainpage template says "Bonzi's amazing race - today at 1400" and link's to the forum in the Event Forum. I think if we had users running their own events and we just gave them a little ad space and a place to do it, we could really bring some more people to the community.

Bonziiznob Talk

11:41, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Support Clan Chat area, Slight Oppose Events area - We need somewhere to discuss the CC that isn't the grove, and as Bonzi said above a regular talk page will need to be archived often to prevent lag. A forum format would be the ideal way to do that. As for events, we already have a section on the PHP forums, I don't think we really need one on the main wiki as well... Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 12:01, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

How often do new people see that? Let's provide people a medium to advertise their events better. I think it could work to our advantage if we try it...let see how it goes... 12:34, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - <edit conflict *1> I see the problems with just having a raw talk page, and the benefits of a forum system. But I really do not think it is a good idea creating another huge forum next to the Yew Grove, specifically for CC business. Maybe a mini-forum system on the talk page. Although topics get large, they'd be few. On the topic of Off-site features, I created a new design for RS:OS: [1] Smile Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 12:35, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per nom. bad_fetustalk 13:02, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Support - YG is slowly turning into a clan chat forum, moving clan chat threads else where will prove ideal to users who don't come into the CC and don't worry about De-Rankings and changes. And also for users who only come into the CC.   Swizz Talk   Events!   16:22, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per all. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 21:26, May 3, 2010 (UTC) 

Support CC, Oppose Events - Per above. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 21:27, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I find the Yew Grove style forums to be a better venue for organized discussion, such as that required to organize a wikifset. The forum like forums are a dreadful place for it, in my honest opinion, as it is more structured and jumbles everything together. Everything else goes per above. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 21:33, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

It seems you only considered an events forum for Wikifests. That means there'd be about 1 thread every 3 months. Wikifest organisation can stay on the YG, and player-made events can be planned in the PHP forums. Chicken7 >talk 06:05, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
You have a point, so I will stay neutral on events. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 18:44, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Support CC, Oppose Events - Per above. TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 22:00, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

We very rarely have official wiki events; these should stay in the main Yew Grove to avoid having an empty forum. The unofficial ones can stay in the PHP forums. As for the Clan Chat, if we move it to a different forum, it will not be seen as much. People complain that the Clan Chat discussions are taking up space, but first of all, they are not any less important than many of the other discussions that take place here. Second, there really aren't very many CC topics. I really see more than two at a time here. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 20:33, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

I disagree. They are less important that many or most of the other discussions on the Yew Grove. Chicken7 >talk 06:24, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, yeah, they are a little less important, but my other points still stand. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 01:31, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Support clan chat - I agree that it doesn't make sense for in-game problems to be posted in the Yew Grove. Judging by the history link provided, the link to the clan chat forum would be in clear view. Also, if it's named "Clan Chat," then it will be obvious that the forum is for clan chat problems. The "Last Edit" column provided will indicate whether anyone has recently posted in the forum, which will make it easy to keep up with discussions. I don't see how a separate forum would be neglected unless people don't care about the clan chat (which isn't a problem since they probably don't use the clan chat anyway) or are too lazy to click a link that is in plain view right under the Yew Grove link.  Tien  21:00, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Support Both - I don't see the point of the CC issues being discussed here either. Also, I think bigger events such as the WikiFest being sorted out in the YG, but smaller events that don't majorly effect the Wiki/aren't official events such as this should be kept to a new forum thingy. Joe Click Here for Awesomeness 15:44, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

{{rfc}} Ajraddatz Talk 19:43, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Request closure - Discussion has died and no consensus .222 talk 07:11, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

This request for closure is complete A user has requested closure for Splitting the Forums. Request complete. The reason given was: complete

ʞooɔ 09:41, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - Yew Grove will not be split at this time. See Forum:CC Complaints for a continued discussion of removing Clan Chat discussions from the Yew Grove. --Aburnett(Talk) 20:09, July 13, 2010 (UTC)