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This thread was archived on 10 April 2010 by Calebchiam.

Hello, I'm still fairly new to the Wiki format, so please bear with me here if I do something odd. I primarily focus on updating Charm logs, as I think they are very informative when considering the accuracy of a monster's charm rate.

I think that it'd be possible to extend the Charm log idea to special drops such as Abyssal Whips, Granite Mauls, Hilts, and other rare monster drops. I feel it would be beneficial in that it would provide the reader an estimate as to the frequency of these special drops. Please sound off on this idea. I am pretty much completely illiterate in Wiki coding, so somebody else would have to make it, but I think it shouldn't be too hard.

Thoughts? Bassjason1 03:17, January 25, 2010 (UTC)


Comment It is a good idea, but the problem we have discussed before is that most people will not track the numbers killed that do not result in a cool drop. So the authenticity of the data would be very suspect. If we could find a viable way around that problem it would be very useful to our readers.--Degenret01 03:24, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Really good idea that I've thought of myself but never proposed. I don't know exactly how it would work, and like Degen stated we would have to work some issues out, but I'm sure we can do something. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 05:11, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Just some things to think about - This was discussed awhile back here, though the discussion on logging the drops died out (indeed, the discussion on the entire thread has too). As Degen said, the reliability of single drop logs are pretty meh... we could do full drop logs (recording everything the monster drops): Template:Log Table is available for this - I've been using it quite successfully. We still have the problem of vandalism, but we could use a method similar to the proposed solution for the charm logs. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 16:11, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Well, if a question of accuracy is the main issue, I suggest that perhaps we make a little committee of users that are dedicated to recording their drops should this idea become popular enough. This way, the members of said committee would act as a test group for each special drop, and the users in the group would hopefully be selected for their experience and honesty, as well as being people who actually like to keep track of these sort of things. Bassjason1 04:12, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

We could also do it that everyone can edit it, but if the percentages of the drops change too much, then a bot (which Gaz mentioned) will revert the changes. That way we won't need to rely on a few users, but we can still easily prevent vandalism. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 19:10, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
For that to work well we still need a starter sample to compare with. A dedicated group of users who log their drops could come from a wikiguild, where anyone is allowed to join - we must assume their logs are correct unless there's some serious error (significantly too many drop/kill or kill/drops, or too high a number of 'rares', e.g. 2 visages from 100 dragons) or are proved unreliable by further more intensive studies. In any case, we'd need to change the style guide to allow mainspace drop logs (or at the very least reworded or something). Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 21:03, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, a wikiguild would be excellent for a project like this. We have a group of dedicated users, and still everyone can join in Smile Maybe all logs would be protected til a certain amount of drops has been put in, to make sure there is some kind of starter sample, as you said. But then the logs would have to be protected and unprotected - though an adminbot could do that too. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 20:44, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - The charms logs are already problematic enough, and they are much simpler. Until the charm log problems can be worked out, this will be much more difficult. Summoning-icon.png To3cutt3r Talk HS Log Summoning-icon.png 15:46, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - No consensus to implement this drop counter. C.ChiamTalk 03:53, April 10, 2010 (UTC)