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This thread was archived on 21 May 2009 by Bonziiznob.


With the recent change of the sitenotice's appearance, I figured a discussion was needed about it. It has been brought up before, here, but was amongst many other points, so may have been missed.

One idea is to remove the oldest or least important point when adding new news, and to sign it (in hidden comments) when updating it.

The other, which I saw over at the [[w:c:spore:Main Page|Spore Wiki]], is putting the notices inside a navbox - it has a hide/show link so you don't have to dismiss when finished reading it (so you can keep useful links at the top of your screen), and notices can be categoried into areas - "one of the rows could have links to any and all RfA's/RfB's/RfF's/etc in progress, another could be wikifest related, another about important policy discussions in the Yew Grove, and so on."

Any other ideas are welcome, this is just one suggestion, not the only options. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 22:42, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, they changed it. Ah well, here's a link to its previous look. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 22:44, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
I like that...a lot. 12:36, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Navbox

Support - I like ours right now, but the Spore Wiki's previous format looks nicer and more organized.  Tien  12:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Support - I think using a Navbox would be a nice idea. Here is the concept based on the current site notice:

The "dismiss" link can be hidden, but the table width needs to be fixed to 100% (currently the notices are at 80%, and the dismiss link takes up 20%). This code should fix the problem:

function hideDismiss() {
    var element = document.getElementById('mw-dismissable-notice');
    if(element == null) return;

    element.rows[0].cells[1].innerHTML='';
    element.innerHTML = element.innerHTML.replace('80%', '100%');
}
addOnloadHook(hideDismiss);

  az talk   17:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Support - Do I not like that? Its much easier to read, more professional, and if the useless spore wiki has it then how come we don't?Joe Click Here for Awesomeness18:34, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Fluffy Bunnysupport - per all. Andrew talk 02:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Support - It looks really organized, which is good, and like Joe said, it looks more professional. --Beware the underrated. Pikaandpi Berserker Fury!Hit hard or go home. 14:38, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for posting the code for hiding the dismiss button, az. Looks good. And of course I support it, if that wasn't clear. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 15:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Wow. It looks so... INCREDIBLY AWESOME! i support the infobar or however you call it! :) http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 19:33, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Support - The bar thing or whatever looks a lot more neater than what it is now, and the fact that you can hide it without dismissing it is great. ~MuzTalk 20:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Perhaps we could also add a section called "In-game events" or something like that? On the wiki forums here, we're discussing whether weekly events should be held in the clan chat (feel free to comment on it!), and we were thinking about updating the Sitenotice with an event every week so everyone can see it, because the forums don't get that much traffic and putting them there wouldn't be too practical.  Tien  00:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

As per SiteNotice Guidelines, I quote:

Do not use this message to announce an upcoming event. Such topics belong in the Events forum. An exception to this rule is advertising about a community-endorsed event (such as Wikifest) on or shortly before the time of the event.

But, as this is a discussion, anything can be changed right. 00:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Technically, it can be considered community-endorsed, as it will be a regular event hosted by the clan chat community. I just don't think the forums would be a good place to put it because not that many people visit the forums often. But we're still discussing it. :P  Tien  01:01, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - The current one looks better in my view. With the navbox, the data is too compressed and it is easier to read a whole sentence than just four or five words. It looks more organised, yes, but not more professional at all. Sorry if I come across as sour though. Statistics.png Lvl 3 skils3 Choice! Talk~ Holiday Signup ~Hiscores 04:59, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Neutral - Per Lvl3 skils3. If the box contains a little more data, I would change to support.-- Miasmic Blitz icon.png Hapi007 Talk! Sign! . 05:44, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose -As per Lvl 3 Skils3. --Newspaper.pngNewspaper JackNewspaper.png 13:39, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - At an other note, the background of the Spore Wiki also looks... cool (less boring than our plain white) we might also make something like this? We could ask Byte Master, our graphics man, to design one.-- Miasmic Blitz icon.png Hapi007 Talk! Sign! . 14:55, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't see any difference...

As for the lack of data point, I was contemplating that for a bit too. How about a new row is added to the navbox, at the bottom, looking something like this (based on current sitenotice):

(With the link working of course.) RuneScape:Sitenotice (aka RS:SN) could have an expanded version of the sitenotice (i.e. full, descriptive sentances). Thinking about it more, it could also house the guidelines (currently here), and another possibility is "requests for sitenotice", where users could ask for things to be placed on the sitenotice. This page should be fully protected to match the sitenotice itself (if the requests possibility is used, either RS:SN would be protected and the requests on a different page transcluded onto RS:SN, or the expanded notice be on a different (protected) page and transcluded onto RS:SN).

Or maybe I'm overthinking this. Heh. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 16:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Please, oh please, do not call it the "WikiNotice". That suffix is butchered enough as it is.

Anyway, I don't think we should use a normal navbox for a job like this. Having such a strong blueish-purple at the top of the screen would look awkward. I'd recommend to have a specific navbox made (perhaps at Template:Navbox/Sitenotice or something) that's modified to either be transparent or white to help differentiate it from an article's navbox.

Lastly, would it be possible to just replace the "[dismiss]" with "[hide]" and "[show]"? I find that to be a better solution, if it's possible. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 20:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose, per Lvl 3 Skills. I'd support if the info wasn't so... compressed. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  03:11, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Support - I would prefer not having a sitenotice anywhere on the top of the screen, but this is much much better than just a bulleted list. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 04:04, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Support - Looks good, but would it be possible to add some of the links from the top of Recent changes such as

because that would be extremely helpful --File:Red phat chathead.png‎|30px|My hair is ftw ^.^ Noah Talk to meh here <-You should really talk with me..... 12:14, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Slight oppose - We usually only have about 4 things at once up on the site notice, so there isn't really a size problem. I think the bulleted list looks better and is easier to read than a navbox, and also it has room that something can be written which would give people an idea why they are clicking on that link. In the event there is a large clutter of necessary things on the sitenotice then a navbox would work out good. Zaros tally.PNGBladeQuick chat button.png# 15:39, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per other supporters. The hide button is better than dismissing it because you can hide it from view but still pull it back up if you want to read it. 99 Hunter ftw Nuclear X2 Talk Ranged 16:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Blade of war. I like the way it is now,because it is very informative,but this way is too....compresed,I guess you'd say.But if you can make it able to hide,and then be able to pull it back up again,I think I would like it.

Oppose - Per all --— Enigma 04:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Collapsible wikitable

I've made some changes based on the discussions on the Navbox template option:

  1. Normal wikitable used, instead of Navbox.
  2. Colour scheme is grey-white, not blue-purple as the normal navbox.
  3. The header/title "WikiNotice" changed to "SiteNotice"
  4. Bulletted list reinstated.
  5. Text expanded. (Some felt that it was "too compressed".)
WikiNotice SiteNotice
  • The RuneScape Wiki Newspaper (RSWP) is suffering from a slight lack of staff. If you are interested, please join the staff here.
  • The RSWP would like to remind all newspaper staff to begin work on their submissions. All submissions must be finished by the 30th of May. Thank you.
  • Wikia is planning to change the appearance of main pages and pagetitles in order to enhance wikis' performances in search results. The discussion is here.

The "Collapsible wikitable" is a compromise between the Navbox idea and the current SiteNotice. The "Collapsible wikitable" can be hidden using the "show/hide" link, but it still retains the bulletted list in the original SiteNotice.   az talk   10:19, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Support I much prefer this version to the navbox simply because it does not force the person writing to compress the notice down to a few words loosing the story behind the notice, but it keeps the sleekness of the navbox. While I have not said it here, I believe that the current WikiNotice thing is absolutely. Making it a collapesable table would just make the current version a little better without any real negatives. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk

Support - Actually, I like this more than the NavBox. It does look sleek and professional, yet doesn't limit our messages as much. I also like the less intrusive shade colour for the title box in comparison to the orginal; this one looks less out of place on the page. --Beware the underrated. Pikaandpi Berserker Fury!Hit hard or go home. 13:05, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Support and query - Looks better. Would it be defaulted to 'hide' or 'show'? If show, would it un-hide itself if you hide it then visit another page? Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 14:10, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Support - Now this is a good compromise and definitely captures the both of best worlds while not losing anything. Zaros tally.PNGBladeQuick chat button.png# 15:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose Wikitable - I think the navbox is clearer, and catches the eye more, whereas the wikitable is what we have now with lines.Joe Click Here for Awesomeness16:52, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

We can't show and hide with the current format... =)   az talk   16:59, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Support I like az's Collapsible wikitable. --Iiii I I I 21:04, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Support Wikitable - It does not take up much room collapsed and it provides more room than using the navbox. - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 22:20, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Support - It is easy to read an gets the entire message across. Quest map icon.png Laser Dragon Task map icon.png 22:59, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per dr5ag2on1. Message can be fully typed and gets a better message and an idea what it means.Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 23:06, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Support - Looks good to me. My proudest achievement Juliusc01Talk Click here if you think this wiki is obsessed with bunniesN W A  F T W 02:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Support - I think you shouldn't be able to completely dismiss it, but just mostly hide it. Many users have missed out on things because they dismissed the site notice because it was annoying. However annoying they may be, they are always important and worth keeping at the top of the page. --— Enigma 04:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Support - Good to read, and takes less space than the NavBox one. -- Miasmic Blitz icon.png Hapi007 Talk! Sign! . 12:01, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - How about we use some JavaScript to store the settings on whether to hide or show the contents of the box. I got the idea at looking how we use check-boxes to control AJAX updating of the Yew Grove and Recent Changes. - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 22:01, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Support - Much better than that crappy compressed navbox. I like it a lot. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  09:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Support - This looks like a consensus minus one so far... =)

Bonziiznob Talk

11:33, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Support - "One" :-) I like the "dismiss but still there" element. --Dionisio 02:56, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment -

Notice:
  • Some "intelligent posterior" has suggested that we might, perhaps, simplify the title to something really 'retro' in it's minimalism...

    <ducks>

    I'm just saying that a sitenotice that a site is making a notice is just a tad redundant.

--Dionisio 03:35, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per all. It would make things much easier. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 03:26, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Actually, I like this idea in combination with the nav bar a lot. Keep the bar, and format the notices by date -- most recent first -- limited to a span of two weeks. Shouldn't be too hard. --Dionisio 03:54, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Adult chameleon (automatic).png Anurin Talk · Sign! . 00:14, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Consensus

Well, I think we can decide what we want now.

  • Support Wikitable - To support the collapsible wikitable
  • Support Navbox - To support the Navbox
  • Support No Change - To support no change.

Joe Click Here for Awesomeness16:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Support Wikitable Looks nicer and is more useable than the current format. Karis Talk to me 17:04, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Support WikiTable per my comment above (and Chia's point on the overuse of 'wiki-'). Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 18:04, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Support Wikitable - Per whatever has been said. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 22:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Support Wikitable per all. Rollback crown.svg Spencer (Talk | Edits | Contribs) 00:18, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Support Wikitable - Same as what i said above. Zaros tally.PNGBladeQuick chat button.png# 02:30, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Closed - I'm going to go ahead and close this. This discussion has been alive for over two weeks, and there is probable consensus, as with per recent discussion about consensus', more than 80% in support of the wikitable, or Consensus minus one, therefore, as in any stance, has been achieved.

Bonziiznob Talk

03:56, 21 May 2009 (UTC)