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This thread was archived on 8 March 2009 by Azaz129.

Alright, I've been talking 'off the record' in IRC and such about this for a long time, and I think it's time to bring it up officially. Basically, my problem is the way some users enable their signatures. I'm not talking about people putting images, text, or anything IN their sig. I'm talking about the way people put their raw sig code in their "signature" box under the preferences page, as opposed to creating a template in the Signatures page and using that. Why is this a problem, you ask? Well, when I sign a page, this appears in the page code after my comment:

{{Signatures/AndorinKato}}

Notice that the above is very short and neat. But if I were to use the method I see others using, all pages I signed would have this added to their code:

<small><span style="color: steelblue;">Sir</span></small> [[User:AndorinKato|<span style="color: steelblue;">'''Andorin Kato'''</span>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:AndorinKato|<span style="color: green;">'''[This]'''</span>]]</sup></small> <sub><small>[[Special:Contributions/AndorinKato|<span style="color: darkgoldenrod;">'''[That]'''</span>]]</small></sub> <small>[[:Category:Speedy deletion candidates|<span style="color: darkred;">'''[The baseball bat]'''</span>]]</small>

Look at all that text. Yuck. Now, this may not seem like an enormous deal, but consider the fact that a lot of people do this. This means we suddenly have hundreds, maybe thousands, of completely unnecessary characters on an active discussion page. This bloats up the page and increases loading time, both when initially loading the page and editing it. The biggest example of this, of course, is the Yew Grove itself.

There are some users, such as Dtm142 and Robert Horning, with whom this is not a problem because their signatures contain very little code to begin with. However, Colo is one example of a bloating sig. Colo, your signature, whose raw code is placed on every page you sign, contains 611 characters. If you used the template version, your sig would have 31 characters in its code. That's 580 less characters, per signing, on pages you visit. However, I'm not trying to pick on any individual people here. If you want more example of people with bloated sig code, go here, click edit, and scroll down through the list to see plenty of such examples.

What I'm proposing is that we make it site policy to make use of the Template:Signatures template. What does this mean, for those of you who aren't as versed in wikis as others? When you go to your Preferences page, linked at the top, you'll see a box called Signatures. What some people do is place the wiki code for their signature directly into that box and hit Save. However, anything that is put into that box is put directly onto a page when you sign it. If someone puts their signature code into this box, the raw code gets dumped onto every page they sign. To save space, many users create a page at Template:Signatures/Yournamehere, put their raw signature code in that, and then put this into their Preferences signature box:

{{SUBST:Nosubst|Signatures/Yournamehere}}

This makes it so that, instead of several hundred lines of code being placed on a page when a user signs it, merely {{Signatures/Yournamehere}} is added, which takes up far less space. There is also another advantage to doing this: If you ever change your signature code, then using the template method, every single page you've ever signed will suddenly be updated with the new sig code. However, if you don't use the template form, you would have to go back and re-edit the raw signature code in every page you've ever signed if you wanted your new signature to immediately show up.

Bleh. It's late, I'm tired, and I hope I've expressed myself clearly enough. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 10:54, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, do it. Someone leaves you a 3 word message on your page and thier sig code is 15 times longer than the messgae. Ridiculous.--Degenret01 13:14, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Just changed mine over Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 01:12, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

A quick note from the technical side... templates in signatures used to be a problem. Which is why the software doesn't let you do it directly and you have to use a workaround. But that's no longer the case, and I've been told that the restriction will be taken out in a future version of MediaWiki. So there is no problem from a technical point of view in using the template system now (although it's best not to go silly with <choose> and other complicated functions of course :) -- sannse<staff /> (talk) 10:37, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
100% support- #1- its neater, #2- when people substring it, it messes with numbering in lists of usernames, #3- when someone changes their sig, all of their sig's change, making it easier to identify people. --Rollback crown.svgAburnett001 {Talk} {#} 23:08, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per above. Would rid a bunch of lag users experience on larger pages, including the yew grove.

Bonziiznob Talk

03:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Big time Support - I've personally seen this countless times and I can safely say that I wish all user's sigs wouldn't be sub-stringed. --Rollback crown.svg Spencer (Talk | Edits | Contribs) 03:44, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Stupid comment- Would it be sub-stringed, or sub-strung? =D --Rollback crown.svgAburnett001 {Talk} {#} 05:35, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Neutral - I really don't care one way or the other in terms of people having complicated sigs. I'm not really into custom signatures (I hope that should be obvious), but this is something more of a personal preference. The lag that might be reduced would be for those trying to edit a page, but it isn't really that much, and by shoving the sigs into templates it can make editing the page a little easier by being able to read the actual content. Whatever happens here, make it easy for new users to participate, and keep the rules simple. --Robert Horning 13:23, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Support Beyond Infinity - The parser changes coming March 3rd are a good wake up call for this, I would say that 75%(roughly) of code changes I have been doing have been related to signatures with bad markup. - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 21:26, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

  • Support - God, this would be fantastic. I hate 10 line sigs :D Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 11:47, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Support - I've also noticed signatures with a huge amount of coding, and I'd love it if this was changed.  Tien  18:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Support - Fixed, YAY :), Thanks Karlis. --ço¬Ø 21:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

  • Comment - You're most certainly welcome! Karlis (talk) (contribs) 22:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Strong Support - I just changed mine, I thought it was already changed to the compressed form. I also changed every place I signed on this page. If everyone changes how their siggy shows up it will save a significant amount of space. On this page alone it could reduce the size by half. Zaros tally.PNGBladeQuick chat button.png# 04:36, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Owing to the support this proposal has received, I'm now making it into policy. I will begin screening the wiki for people whose sigs are substringed, and I will redo the signatures page to provide instructions concerning template signatures. Thank you to everyone who put in their thoughts! --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 20:13, 24 February 2009 (UTC)