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This thread was archived on 16 January 2010 by Degenret01.

I've noticed that any thread older then about two years seems to have no information on release dates. Along with all of the year pages (like 2005) or any of those which have very little information, compared to articles like 2009 which has a plethora of information.

After posting this I'm going to go through and start adding date information to articles. I would like it if others would help. This may not seem like a huge deal, but I think we should try and be consistent with the articles. Almost every article within the past year has the date printed in the first edit, and then is left there. Forum moderator crown.pngFerrelShadowSlayer.png

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Comment This isn't some thing I like tbh. On every article I see it on I consider it "filler". This is most likely because it is always a sentence in the first paragraph, and I feel it is just not important enough about the item to be right there. It isn't what people are trying to find out for the most part. However, I would be all in favor of it being on the bottom of every page as a side note type thing.--Degenret01 02:27, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be a good addition to the Infobox. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 02:34, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
Per Psycho, we could add it to the Infobox:
 {{Infobox Item
 |name      = Dragon pickaxe
 |image     = [[File:DragonPickaxe.PNG|a Dragon pickaxe]]
 |AKA       = Dragon pick, d pick, drag pick, drag pickaxe
 |release   = 09-09-09                                      <-----------
 |members   = Yes
 |quest     = No
 |tradeable = Yes
 |equipable = Yes
 |stackable = No
 |high      = 75,000
 |low       = 50,000
 |destroy   = Drop
 |exchange  = GEMW
 |examine   = Used for mining.
 |weight    = 2
 }} 

Up emoticon.gif Miasmic Blitz icon.png Hapi007 Talk! Sign! . 12:15, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

As far as I know, I tried checking the oldest news Jagex has, but I just can't find anything somewhere in the 2005- periods. Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 12:56, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - For very old items, it might simply be useful to put the moniker "RuneScape Classic" in the release field, to indicate that it is an item that comes from the earliest period of time. BTW, as far as adding this to the infobox, this has been discussed on Template talk:Infobox Item#Release date? and there doesn't seem to be any explicit opposition to the idea. I think this is merely an issue we need to be bold and simply do it. If the problem is trying to get it into the template, I'd be more than willing to be of service here. --Robert Horning 13:22, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

What date format do we use? I propose the standard format, 29 September 2009 or what have you. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 17:04, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - This would help many players and for very old items I agree with Robert Horning about the "RuneScape Classic" field. And by the way I prefer the standard date format. Smile Makxtrl Talk 18:03, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Comment I'm not talking about for every item, but mostly for quests, minigames, monsters and other big updates. Like I don't think knowing the exact date of when we were able to get a Rune Plate could be that important. Also adding more information to the year pages (2002, 2003, ect) to make them a little more like the other articles on the same thing. Forum moderator crown.pngFerrelShadowSlayer.png 18:46, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Well, for quests and minigames, it's usually in the article already. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 19:00, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
There's plenty out there that aren't. I spent an hour searching for the release date for Challenge scrolls, and that whole mini-game. Forum moderator crown.pngFerrelShadowSlayer.png 00:05, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

comment I would love to see all the dates moved to infoboxes.--Degenret01 00:33, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Infoboxes or Trivia, since they don't add any useful information to the article. They are, more or less, trivial. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 22:25, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - D4k is right, this belongs more or less in trivia, or the bottom of the Infobox on the page. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 01:00, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - The release date(s) should be included in the respective infoboxes, this is more efficient and useful for the knowledge seeker. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 10:50, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - It would look a bit out of place on the bottom side of the infobox (price, weight, release date... looks wrong to me), so I think it should be between the 'AKA' and 'members' parts, like Hapi said. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 14:36, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Support infobox placement - Best place to put the date in my opinion.  Tien  23:21, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Support infobox - It's easy to find and edit when it's in the infobox template and would make things consistent across articles. Also, we should use Psycho's suggested date format, as it's formatted that way almost everywhere else and it links easily to the respective timeline pages. --Quarenon  Talk 03:19, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Support infobox - Per all. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 08:24, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Support infobox - Hapi's placement suggestion, DAY MONTH YEAR format. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 16:13, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Support infobox - Good point Psycho. We should make sure that it follows the style guide, so uses the British date format. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 05:16, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Support infobox - I think the infobox is the right palce to have the dates. It is easy to find and is useful information. Theboy1001 18:25, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Support infobox and general idea - I would like to know the release date of some items, and between AKA and members is the best place to go if you ask me. Quest point cape.pngTalk Newbie856 edit count Nomad guideMusic icon.png 22:30, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Support per all. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 22:30, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Support infobox usage - I thought I already supported this. Ah well, it was probably on a talk page somewhere. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 23:24, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Support Infobox - Also, could we get a link to the date? Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 23:56, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Support Infobox - I would be able to get the date of a few thousand items before the graphics update. --Purely chill 00:13, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Support infobox - per all. I agree that release dates in the first sentences of articles seem like filler, especially since a lot of old articles don't have release dates. 20px‎ Kudos 2 U Talk! Edit count! Contribs! 22:40, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Support infobox - I don't see any reason why not. — Enigma 05:08, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Support Infobox - Per Theboy. FredeTalk 17:38, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Action

Surprisingly, I noticed this hasn't been done yet, so I added the release date to {{Infobox Item}}, updated the documentation, as well as created the category Category:Needs release date which is auto-added to articles with missing release dates. I did not add this to the other infoboxes, since it seems like there wasn't specific consensus on them. However, I think it would be useful to add dates to them, and I can also change those if wanted. --Quarenon  Talk 11:23, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I say it should be added to all infoboxes. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 17:36, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
I agree with oli. Swiz Talk Review Me 18:37, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
And I agree with Swiz. scoot4.pngscooties 18:41, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I was going through the list of Category:Infobox templates to start doing this but then realized on the original proposal that Gaz had some code for also adding in the link to the relevant update page if applicable next to the release date. I think that could also be useful, although Gaz's implementation put the full update link beside the date link and I think it appears a bit too cluttered. Compare:

Release date 9 January 2009 RuneScape Cards in Canada
Release date 9 January 2009 (Update)

--Quarenon  Talk 23:57, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

That was a bit on-the-fly thinking Wink The second does look better, go with it. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 01:29, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, the second one looks much better. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 10:58, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
Jah, the second ist nice Swiz Talk Review Me 11:01, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Would it be a good idea to automatically convert the date into [[j F]] [[Y]] format ([[day monthname]] [[year]]) using #time:? #ifeq: can be used to catch RuneScape Classic inputs and #iferror: for other bad dates. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 16:53, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

A good idea, although:
  1. The date can't be linked from the start, as #time won't understand the syntax.
  2. I think we should make the date format explicit, since that will help enforce using the [[day monthname]] [[year]] format in the body of the article.

Just my opinion. --Quarenon  Talk 20:07, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Mmm, okay. Most articles already have that format with links, so its not really a big problem anyway. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 17:06, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Question So is it settled? Sorry I can't tell. If everyone is going in the same direction (as I think but I am only 95% sure) we can archive this.--Degenret01 14:38, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I believe so. To be explicit, here is the list of the infobox templates that have been changed per this proposal that I'm aware of:
--Quarenon  Talk 17:20, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Closed and implemented per immediately above Thanks.--Degenret01 00:03, January 16, 2010 (UTC)