i got a friend who really works at jagex and sometime he give me image and info of up coming updates, it is possible to poast them on site?
thanks --17:15, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
- I highly doubt you're old enough to have a friend who works at Jagex if you spell the word "post" with an "a".
- EDIT: Saw your userpage and that you're bad with English, sorry about that comment. But still...as much as I want to know secrets about Jagex we'd get DMCA'd and then there would be no more wiki.
Comment - Can this information be verified independently by anybody else? If you have an "inside track" and want to get us "officially" recognized by Jagex (many, many threads have covered THAT topic already) with some "exclusive" content that would set us apart from the other fan sites... hey, sounds like fun. Preferably get that inside contact to edit directly on this wiki with something that can be verified by the community at large as legitimate from Jagex. It is likely, however, that your "friend" is yanking your chain and not really telling you the truth. I would put that to a near certainty. --Robert Horning 18:39, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
Comment - If you would first tell us what it is, then have your friend confirm that he works at Jagex (sounds very unlikely to me) then we might want to do it. But not now. Oil4 Talk 19:08, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
Oppose - Well, first of all, I am highly doubtful that you do actually have a friend who works for Jagex. Even if you do, we are not a crystal ball and do not need to go overboard on future updates. 19:13, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
- Just wanted to add to that statement that after being banned from a wiki run by Parsons because I removed a template from his userpage (lifted directly from this wiki) claiming that he was a Jagex staff member, I am having a hard time trusting him. I know he means well, but if he does not actually have any relations with a Jagex staffer, this proposal is somewhat useless. 19:37, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
Support - I really want to know when the new skills and weapons update so I really want it. P.S. if it's new skills tell me right away so my freind gets pissed off.--masterous 13:23, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
- Comment - I DO hope you're joking. Parsons is lying, and I am appalled that not everyone can see that. =| --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 03:01, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
Stelercus needed proof about my mod friend. He asked for a image of a future update, so I ask him for any random update and here what he gave me:
The new toy stall in Draynor. -- 19:56, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
- Thats not proof your "friend" works for Jagex at all. All it shows is that uour friend just took that imags from the known cache leaks either himself or from another website that already leaked the same image. There is currently a discussion going on about the model viewer here -- Mercifull (Talk) 20:50, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
Comment - Parsonda is one of the funniest people, and most determined too, I've ever met on the RSW. You know it's true. YOU KNOW IT'S TRUE! --Fruit.Smoothie 01:22, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
Comment - Yea I do admit, he's pretty funny. Anyway, if you truly have a friend working at Jagex and telling you all these "Secret Information", he deserves to be fired. --Nup(T) 03:28, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
Comment - Its only funny becuase he's not trying to be funny. Now then, its a friend? I thought it was your cousin. You've sure said that enough times in the clan chat, as well as Forum:RuneScape Model Viewer = Against the rules. Your story keeps changing and you have a history of being dishonest. I'll tend to believe that anything you upload is ripped straight from an RSMV or lifted off of youtube. 03:32, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
Oppose - I'm sorry parsonsda, but the chances of your cousin working for Jagex and that being real may not turn out right. Like said earlier, the wiki is not a crystal ball. You can use the image, but we don't know if your cousin works for Jagex or not....03:38, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
This is not Proof - Please, this isn't even funny at the moment. Regardless of the crystal ball or whatnot, there are images like this that can be obtained from commercial model viewers that don't even come from Jagex, or could be some art work from somewhere else. If this is from the model viewer, so be it, but that still isn't "proof". I'm looking for something specific that would "prove" the veracity of what you are saying, and this simply knocks my opinion of what your "friend" said down even further into the rabbit hole. I'd say more, but I don't want to I don't want to feed the beast. --Robert Horning 04:26, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
Comment - How did your "mod friend" give you that toy stall image?17:33, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
Comment - As stated, the model viewer. This is not proof, indefinitely. If you want to prove your "friend" works there, have him come into the cc, we'll see his crown, then go on his merry way. Otherwise, this whole "My ____ is a jmod!" thing is getting out of hand. Chaos Monk Talk • Sign 17:25, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
Comment - I have a hard time believing anyone who can't spell half their words right... Samba37 17:31, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
Strong Oppose We need proof not pictures you've copied from the internet and claimed that Your cousin/friend from Jagex sent to you, or Nintendo Swe or even Excl, perhaps a letter? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ssswizmig (talk) on 20:28, December 24, 2009 (UTC).
Comment - Releasing any information via any form that isn't publicly released or available besides illegal means or breach of confidentiality will surely result in your account being banned.
00:23, December 27, 2009 (UTC)
- Can you point to anybody you know personally that has been banned for this reason? I am presuming that illegal means that somebody has physically broken into Jagex HQ in England and is a suspect for burglary and/or breaking and illegal entry, or they have somehow compromised legitimate security of the computer systems owned by Jagex. Reverse engineering software isn't illegal. Breach of confidentiality.... that isn't going to get your account banned, it will land you in court for violating a contract and cost you some significant time and money, presuming that Jagex has its employees sign non-disclosure agreements. In either case, the only thing that would apply to the participants of this wiki (excepting those who actually committed the crime) would be to provide a fair-use rationale for the content, as only ordinary copyright applies. I'm not saying that the above image is necessarily welcome on this wiki, but it isn't "illegal" to have or to distribute in the right context. Certainly using any model viewer is not illegal. --Robert Horning 15:42, December 27, 2009 (UTC)
- The term illegal is being used to describe a violation of Jagex Rules, not law. Reverse engineering may not be illegal by law, but it is a violation of Jagex Terms and Conditions. As for breaching confidentiality, if a Jagex employee is handing you information under the table, I can almost 100% guarantee action will be taken against all accounts involved. Weather the information on this wiki is in violation of any copyright laws I'm not too concerned about because if we are Jagex or Wikia will inform us, but if you are getting information by reverse engineering, illegal or not by law, you risk having your account banned.
- As per this reply to the above:
I have permission to post the above response.
03:59, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
- Words mean things, and the term "illegal" is one of those words that is being thrown around far too often when the word doesn't apply. Against the TOS rules, perhaps. Presuming that of course that clause is even enforceable. By not enforceable, in a great many legal jurisdictions reverse engineering is flat out encouraged and anti-reverse engineering clauses are frequently held to be invalid on a terms of service agreement. Breech of confidentiality? It isn't an account banning that you have to worry about as there are bigger issues involved... like somebody's employment with Jagex or the death of their bank account which will soon be confiscated by Jagex via the courts. I've said my piece, and this thread is not explicitly about the model viewer. I have expressed my displeasure at having this particular model snapshot displayed here, and I do think that it was done explicitly to fan flames knowing this is a hot-button issue. I would let this thread die a natural death other than I simply must challenge strongly used words like "illegal" when in fact it isn't so. --Robert Horning 05:36, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
Comment - Without reverse engineering, half of the software/tech companies you see today wouldn't exist. I prefer to call reverse engineering a hobby, since that's all it really is. Nothing more, nothing less, simply a hobby for others to partake in. Fruit.Smoothie
- Reverse engineering is a legitimate and time-honored tradition in the engineering field. This is done by more than just simple hobbyists and tinkerers, but also done frequently by many of the largest engineering firms in the world. The computer you are using right now is likely to have been built with components that were derived from reverse-engineered processes. Reverse engineering is what allows you to open a Microsoft Word document in other word processor applications like Open Office. Anybody who has been to an after-market automobile mod market is seeing explicitly the results of reverse engineering at its finest... where folks can and do figure out how different parts of an automobile work and sometimes even "tweak" those parts to improve performance. This can include new hardware (like a new carburetor, injector, or exhaust manifold) and software (hacking into a vehicle computer and rewriting the "firmware" that controls most modern automobiles). Millionaires have been made from legitimate reverse engineering. Some automotive companies have tried to stop this practice of having people mod their vehicles.... usually to their loss in terms of lost sales or lost court cases (of which there have been plenty... including some related explicitly to computer software for automobiles). --Robert Horning 14:40, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
- What a buzzkill -_- Fruit.Smoothie
Comment - Why do you lie to us? We all now that the image you posted it's from the RSMV And I highly doubt that "your mod friend" would let you leak all the updates to us before the official release. Wait, you don't even have a friend that works at Jagex, lol. Makxtrl Talk 01:38, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
Comment - Well...I really speak to Mark Gerhard a lot on FaceBook. Also there is a chance that I will join Jagex after I finish my Sound Engineering studies. All I have to say about this "secret updates" thing is that Mods don't tell anyone the game updates. If a Mod tells his friend about the new update...that friend will deliver it to YouTube and other RS fansites in some minutes...Think about it...You say that you are a Mod's friend and he tells you secrets, so why you go to Wiki and tell them? Huh? That's my point...No Mod will tell any Update plans to anyone!!! --~Phobos * Star~ 13:41, January 2, 2010 (UTC)Phobos Star