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This thread was archived on 26 February 2020 by IsobelJ.

The recent move to add pages for all plants, the scenery objects from farming, has produced numerous pages with names which differ from items by only capitalization and/or a trailing s. Many of these pages have had the {{Confuse}} template added, creating text such as Not to be confused with Krandorian hops. on the Krandorian Hops (plant) page which is not very helpful. These pages can cause confusion and make it more difficult for users, as most users who search for Watermelons or use /wiki Watermelons are most likely looking for the item, and not information on the scenery object.

Examples: Watermelon (item) vs Watermelons (plant), Krandorian hops (item) vs Krandorian Hops (plant).

I propose moving all these pages to Plant name (plant), redirecting the current pages to the item pages and continuing this practice for other scenery pages that have not yet been created (not just plant pages). This has been previously done for things such as teleport tablets: Varrock Teleport (spell), Varrock teleport (redirect to spell) and Varrock teleport (item).


Support - As nominator, to reduce confusion and make it easier for users of the wiki Seers headband 2 chathead.png Elessar2 (talk) 11:50, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Big support - The current system is very confusing to people that don't know the intricacies of the naming scheme. Your proposed solution would be a great value not only to people looking for info, but also to editors wanting to contribute to it. My contributions Dalek SecTalk to me 11:53, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Support - Per Elessar2 and Dalek. Farming-icon.png Salix (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 12:19, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Support - Didn't we do this already? -Hourglass (2011 Hallowe'en event) detail.png I Am Probably Someone Talk III The Spark.png- 12:31, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Didn't know that existed, so I guess yes, but expanding it to include appended s Seers headband 2 chathead.png Elessar2 (talk) 12:37, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Oh, right, didn't realise that wasn't part of the old thread. But yeah, plurals make for a pretty natural extension of the rules we have, so I still support that. -Hourglass (2011 Hallowe'en event) detail.png I Am Probably Someone Talk III The Spark.png- 12:44, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
I still support the core idea of disambiguating pages that differ only in terms of pluralisation, but oppose the proposed naming convention - the current proposal would leave the pages for non-farmed plants without suitable titles. I'd amend the original proposal by suggesting that while we should prefer using (plant) to distinguish items from the plant they're obtained from, we should give that to non-farmed plants first and use (Farming) to distinguish farmed plants from non-farmed plants where both exist. So in essence
-Hourglass (2011 Hallowe'en event) detail.png I Am Probably Someone Talk III The Spark.png- 22:00, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Support - as everyone else has said it makes sense BetsanTalk 12:42, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Supports - #REDIRECT [[Support]] User talk:InvalidCards.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:InvalidCards InvalidCards Special:Contributions/InvalidCards.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/InvalidCards 12:43, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Makes sense - Ciphrius Kane (talk) 12:51, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Question - Just to clarify, for the Watermelon example, instead of the distinction being Watermelon vs Watermelons it would be Watermelon vs Watermelons (plant), correct? It would still use the actual current "s" or Capitalisation difference but also append the parenthetical to differentiate? Choose OptionTalk-to MitcheII Slayer of Imps (skill: 2,695). . . . . . . . . . real life easter egg, :wowee: don't tell anyone though! Talk-to MitcheII Slayer of Imps (skill: 2,695) 13:36, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes it would still use the exact name as in game, just with the addition of (plant). Seers headband 2 chathead.png Elessar2 (talk) 14:54, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Support - Ease of use over exact Granularity. Choose OptionTalk-to MitcheII Slayer of Imps (skill: 2,695). . . . . . . . . . real life easter egg, :wowee: don't tell anyone though! Talk-to MitcheII Slayer of Imps (skill: 2,695) 15:03, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Oppose - I changed my mind, moving them all to (plant) encroaches on items that have a Farming or overworld-plant. I would instead opt for making the Onion plant from Farming be appended with (Farming) like is done with Trees. Example Onion [the item you pick and eat], Onion (plant) [the overworld plant you can pick for an Onion], Onions (sack) [the sack filled with onions] and Onion plant (Farming) [the plant as it is being grown in an allotment patch]. Choose OptionTalk-to MitcheII Slayer of Imps (skill: 2,695). . . . . . . . . . real life easter egg, :wowee: don't tell anyone though! Talk-to MitcheII Slayer of Imps (skill: 2,695) 06:59, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Support - Always favor increased usability --LiquidTalk 19:27, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Support - Nothing to add, thanks so much for taking initiative on this Guthix balance flask (4).pngAikhana TalkQuest.png 21:34, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Support - Per MitcheII. - Toes for Tea (talk) 21:44, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Support - Yes Talk to Kelsey 21:49, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Support - Meeeeerds msg 22:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Support - Just do it ✔ Superiosity the WikianQuick chat button.png : Yo 23:34, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Comment - Why exactly do we need a plant-specific page? All the farming info is already on the respective seed pages. On the OSRS-wiki, there is the Krandorian hops and Krandorian seed, with the seed page containing all the relevant farming info. If we make plant pages too, won't we get two more or less identical pages? Exaldin (talk) 19:44, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Something something rs:g. I also think this is dumb. Chen (talk) 19:53, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
We're trying to add pages for all interactive scenery as well. These just happen to be the first large set done. The duplicate info is really just the farming infobox, and the stage images. Seers headband 2 chathead.png Elessar2 (talk) 21:45, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
The "duplicate info" is also every paragraph of prose as well. They're nigh identical to the seed pages, just worded slightly different. The interactive scenery infobox is the only unique part. Regardless, semi-related, but if you plan to hold more OSWFs that involve creating new pages, I'd highly recommend some sort of preload template as we discussed in Discord earlier. They would allow the pages to be much more consistent and cleaner. Chen (talk) 21:51, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Although I'm all in on adding more interactive scenery, perhaps the mistake was to start with farming plants. It still seems like making the same page twice with very little noteworthy difference... maybe other pages will convince me, but let's leave it there for now. Exaldin (talk) 23:31, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Oppose I think?? - Not that it really matters cus of the snowball support in this thread but honestly I don't think I'm personally too keen on literal different words requiring parentheses just cus of an added s. As has already been mentioned this is the case for words with differing capitalisation but there is obvious more confusion here as they literally share the word Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 06:34, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Oppose - name it (Farming) so I can make my great [[Onion (plant)]] page on the pre-grown scenery onions strewn about RS. besides, onions (farming) are already called Onion plant and I doubt we want to move that to [[Onion plant (plant)]]. there are a few others, too: cabbages, wheat, potatoes, redberry bush (near varrock), pineapple plant and banana tree (karamja). at least (Farming) would have some consistency with Oak (Farming)—you aren't gonna convince me Oak isn't also a plant. Chen (talk) 06:55, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Oppose - I agree with Chen Exaldin (talk) 20:08, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Closed - There is consensus to implement the proposal; however in the case of plants where both farmed and non-farmed variants exist (Farming) should be used for farmed plants, and the (plant) suffix used for non-farmed plants. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelTalk page 20:59, 26 February 2020 (UTC)