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Hey there, how's everyone doing today? I just wondering and i wanted your opinion. Should our wiki have a facebook page or a facebook group? I just ask that no one start one or if one has been started that the person post a link. I think a facebook page wwould be a great idea for the wiki. Discuss your thoughts

--[email protected] 00:19, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Support - It'd kind of be like the YouTube page that's been proposed. We'd have to decide as a community on what goes on, though. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 01:23, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Pending - Well if we do whos going to run it and what if some troll gets the password Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 01:26, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I already made one and never published it. I was going to ask it on the forums but then i forgot... should I just publish it or what? scoot4.pngscooties 01:31, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Just wait a bit first, we want to decide if we want a facebook page.--[email protected] 03:52, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Pending - I don't use social networking sites, so could someone tell me what the point of this would be? Are we going to have an RSWiki Twitter proposal next? Would we need this if we create a YouTube channel? 20px‎ Kudos 2 U Talk! Edit count! Contribs! 03:56, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

We already have a Twitter page, actually. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 21:48, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose What purpose does this serve? What's going to be on it? Who's going to start it, maintain it, etc. Seems like a lot of work for no discernable reward Slayer helmet (c).pngImmo Voted Worst Wikian 2013 Slayer cape (t).png 04:09, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose Facebook is the root of all evil. Plus...uhh...what cursed said. Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 04:14, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - It would help our name get out there and basically help advertise. It would also help get info out to the community fast, because lets face it, the notice at the top isn't that noticeable and easy to look past. We could update people of heated forum threads and new wikiguilds. Really just anything on the normal announcement. I already have one ready to go and can add anyone who is chosen to. I believe it should be somewhat like Request for rank, and any sysop who wants a rank may get it. scoot4.pngscooties 04:28, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I don't really see a point for it. It'd have almost all the disadvantages of a YouTube account and not as many of the advantages. It'd exclude users who do not use Facebook and it'd be too much of a hassle deciding who gets the password to the account (*cough*RS:AEAE*cough). ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  08:01, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

A facebook group/fan/page can have multiple admins. there would be no issue over the password. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 11:38, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I don't see what the point of it would be. I mean...a notification like "NEW EDIT ON PAGE X" wouldn't really serve a purpose. Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 10:55, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I don't see how this would benefit the wiki. Everything we put on the Facebook page/group can be accessed easily here. Also, people who keep RuneScape a secret will not want to join because their friends can see what groups they've joined (unless it is possible to hide them).  Tien  13:44, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

strong support - I would love it it would make the wiki a much better place--Runecrafting Supawilko 14:10, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

How would it do so? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 16:59, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

support - I think that it would help us get more runescape fans that play facebook, hence, more people would come. Username1907 rulez! http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/runescape/images/c/cb/Dragon_two-handed_sword.png 14:45, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Also I will start it.-- Username1907 rulez! http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/runescape/images/c/cb/Dragon_two-handed_sword.png 14:46, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Slight Oppose - While there are a few pro's, such as more traffic to the pages here, the number of cons seem to make the idea a chore of maintaining. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 16:07, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - per R10K Swiz Talk Review Me 16:38, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per discussion about opening a YouTube channel. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 16:59, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Question - If this is denied, then would I be allowed to make one without the wiki behind me? scoot4.pngscooties 22:15, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Another question - Did you just ask if you could make a Facebook page for the wiki without the wiki's support? 20px‎ Kudos 2 U Talk! Edit count! Contribs! 22:19, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, kinda, but it would be the unofficial one. scoot4.pngscooties 22:22, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
If the consensus is not to have one and you do it anyways then that isn't good at all Andrew talk 22:44, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - We didn't want a YouTube page and we didn't want a Twitter page so why the hell would we want a Facebook page? Andrew talk 22:43, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

All a page really is is to let their friends know what they like. I don't get the problem with that. scoot4.pngscooties 22:50, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I can't see how this would help the wiki in any way, other than act as an advertisement. I don't know about other people, but I see that the wiki shows up first on most RS related searches, and we are getting by fine with that. However, I can see this adding another layer of difficulty to what we are responsible for as a community. let's focus on this website, not Facebook. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 22:47, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Let's focus on RS wiki, not Facebook. Prgmbeta 00:00, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Ugh, another pointless RSW social networking proposal. We're only focusing on the Wiki, not social networking. Fishing.png NnK Oliver (600613) talk 01:50, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Everyone here opposed is missing the entire point. The idea is that every other medium besides the website itself we expose people too is another chance to attract audience we would otherwise not have ever reached. So, we don't want a facebook so we can post stupid comments and be useless. Its because if someone plays Runescape and uses facebook who has never heard of the wiki, they may see ours and become interested. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 03:44, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Comment and you're missing the point is that it now becomes something that requires constant moderation from spam, slander etc etc. Seems like more work than reward Slayer helmet (c).pngImmo Voted Worst Wikian 2013 Slayer cape (t).png 18:31, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

You obviously have no idea how Facebook works. If you set it up as a fanpage then you don't need to moderate it at all as people cant post anything without explicit permission. There is no work involved other than the initial set-up --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 21:52, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
But if anyone can post anything, then there can be spam and stuff on it. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 10:29, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
You realise that likewise there can be normal comments and all that on it? Of course, there can be spam, but if you've seen Facebook group pages before, you'll realise that spam is often ignored and thus not require users to constantly moderate. C.ChiamTalk 13:47, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
Would be a bit hard ignoring someone who spams your whole screen with things like "RS IS THE WORST GAME EVER !!!11!!!". Of course I get your point, but I think that assuming good faith (which is basically what you're doing by saying that people will post nicely and ignore spam) might not work out well enough here, since spammers are bound to go on when they're ignored. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 15:49, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
Umm, it's pretty inevitable for just about anything on the internet, that there will always be trolls and spammers. You realise spammers don't go on when they're ignored, but rather tend to stop when they see that they're not getting the attention they are looking for. C.ChiamTalk 12:35, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

It would be the work of but a few clicks to set this up so only our trusted people can post. I kinda really like this, if the community says no we are missing a shot. We can make the FB wiki page a fan of the Rs page and get attention.--Degenret01 13:40, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it requires very little moderation. All you really need to do it copy and paste announcements and your done. scoot4.pngscooties 23:57, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Waste of time and effort. We already have community site notices/banners, which are effective enough. Besides, talk pages, discussions, Wiki-Projects/Guild, the Yew Grove, our forums, etc. have already proven to be ample enough for any social-related aspect or site/community-driven project. Fruit.Smoothie 02:38, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I am not sure why everyone is complaining so much. While I don't think that it will be that effective in promoting the wiki, it can be an easy way of informing people of the goings-on around the wiki, a bit like a CSS feed. We have already had one person volunteer to do the work in setting it up so that isn't a problem. We just put the site notice updates and possibly things like AOTM as status updates, so there wont be debates over content like there was with the YouTube account. If we just got a few trusted users to be admins, then I can't really see any downsides. Btw, I personally wouldn't join it since I try to keep RuneScape and real life separate. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 02:51, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Last sentence is the only thing you had to say. The RuneScape Wiki is NOT a blog for users, it's simply a place to share information about one single game: Runescape.
Now if the Facebook page in question is going to be effectively carrying out that philosophy, then so be it. But until then, I don't want, as you've mentioned... "Runescape and real life" mixing. Fruit.Smoothie 03:03, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
What?? The reason why I don't want the RSW added as a facebook thing is because I am a socially aware/inept 16 year old teenage male. The kind who wouldn't go to the movies with his family in case he is seen by someone. It has nothing to do with a RuneScape wiki FaceBook page, it has to do with RuneScape in general. The Facebook page wouldn't be a blog where give players opinions on updates, it just conveys the sitenotices over a different medium. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 03:16, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
You being a "socially aware/inept 16 year old" is an irrelevant point to the discussion. There are a great many number of people young and old who play runescape and use facebook and have no issues with their friends and family knowing that. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 11:33, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
Lol Yanks, your exactly like me. I've been playing rs for a little over a year and absolutely no one knows about it (in my real life). You also said someone volunteered to do the work setting it up, well it's already been done. All I need is the okay from you guys and its up. It's that simple. scoot4.pngscooties 20:34, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
I understand that Merci, that is why I added it as a "btw" comment at the end. It was kind of a cheap way of showing that I wouldn't want to run it if consensus is to created (since I am currently the only admin who has supported the idea and it has been suggested that a sysop runs it). Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 00:14, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

I am wondering, can we make a decision and wrap this up soon?--[email protected] 20:41, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

They happen when they happen. Discussions may take weeks to come to a result, there is a lot to talk about. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tua_Scoot (talk) on 16:19, January 7, 2010.

How it would run

Okay, lets set out exactly what is and is not allowed so people won't have to wonder what could happen with it.

  • It's purpose is to generate more notice for the RS wiki, hopefully.
  • The only things posted on it will be site notices or other announcements regarding the wiki.
    • There will be NO personal blogging or other things of that nature which is what many people seem to worry about. For those unaware, these pages can be set up so others are not even allowed to post. It is NOT something we have to watch for. It CAN'T be vandalized if set up this way. So no worries on that.
  • Any sysop that wishes to be on the page will be a moderator on the page. Only those appointed as moderators will be allowed to post.
  • Trusted users may be added to the moderator list, they just have to pass community approval, as we did with request for cc rank.
  • No one will be forced to join or be added or forced to reveal your real identity.

That being said, I will be ok with being added to it, updating announcements will be but a few moments work a couple times a week at best.--Degenret01 01:22, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Support - That looks great! You may also want to add that it will be closed to comments so no one can vandalize like 'Runescape sucks' and such. scoot4.pngscooties 01:27, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

I added that like a second after you said to lol.--Degenret01 01:28, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
Lol yeh, there should be no reason anyone opposes. If they oppose because it is too much work then they don't have to work on it. I, and I'm sure others, are all ready to work on it, so they don't have to join. Like you said it's all Optional.

Support - Sounds good! Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 01:38, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral Support - I didn't oppose because I thought it'd be too much work. Concerned The page would probably be easy to manage. I'm just curious as to why people would go to Facebook and get limited information there when they could simply go here and get everything.  Tien  02:03, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

It is a way for those who do not know about here, to learn about here. Then here will get visitors.--Degenret01 02:07, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
It's not 'just' for updates, it's also for people to let their friends know what they 'like'. If you don't know about facebook, a page is a fanpage where people 'like' a page to let their friends know what they like. If someone looks at another persons likes they will see runescape wiki and say "Oh I like runescape too, I'll like this page as well." That just expanded our awareness by one. If that happens with thousands of people we will get sooo much traffic. scoot4.pngscooties 02:13, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
Ah, I see. And I know what Facebook pages are, since I have an account myself. Personally, I won't join, but I hope it does its job well! Changed to support.  Tien  02:17, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Support - But the same reason as Evil, I will not join it. This is also a chance for the community to be more community-like. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 04:16, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Your a 16 yr old that won't be seen in public with your parents? Sounds like my nieces lol. Jk.--Degenret01 07:23, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - Ehhh, I'm still not keen on the idea. You've put together some good points so I won't oppose, but I won't join our FB page and I'll have little (if any) involvement. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  07:11, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Question - What if things like the reason the YT Channel was shut down come back? What if a moderator accidentally posts something he wanted to post on another account? Or would that be impossible? I personally don't know much about FaceBook, so please answer these questions. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 08:15, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Since where you post facebook group status updates would be a completely different page to where you post personal status updates, each with a completely different look, it is highly unlikely that someone will accidentally post a status update for the other one. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 08:34, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 08:36, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
And whenever someone does something, their name comes up next to their action/post, etc. When we list the FBadmins, there is the option to give them a title, which could be their Wiki username. So all admins are identified. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 12:35, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
I like that idea a lot! Even though it is very unlikely that anything bad will happen, always good to prepare for the worst. scoot4.pngscooties 20:05, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Sounds good, per Degen. I'll probably just be bold and join it, screw the consequences. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 20:32, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Networking is good. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 09:16, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Can't hurt. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 17:48, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per Degen, sounds like a good idea. Quest point cape detail.png Brux Talk 18:32, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - I'm okay with a facebook account, but not super supportive... Youdead00 04:23, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per all, I guess. Fruit.Smoothie

Support/Question - I like the idea but... is it a group or note? Username1907 rulez! http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/runescape/images/c/cb/Dragon_two-handed_sword.png 01:21, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Could you please rephrase the question? I'm not getting what you're asking. scoot4.pngscooties 01:23, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
I think he's asking whether it is a FaceBook Group or not. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 08:14, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
It would be/is a group. It was already made but only one person is on so far. If it isn't a group, we will start a page as one. Ummm, this is looking good now with supports, can we have the link to see the page?--Degenret01 08:57, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose group, Support page - A group is unnneccesary, we dont need to have forum type conversations on it. It should be set up as a 'oage' for which people can become a 'fan' of. Nothing more. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 11:30, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

I like it that they become a "fan". But, I don't think we can list officers on it. Chicken7 >talk 11:47, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

I have a preliminary page up and ready kinda. How should we choose who gets to Admin? If sysops get automatic admin, then just email me at [email protected] and I will add you to the list so we can make sure it looks good before making it live. Please note that i don't need to add you to make you admin, and i have NO interest of adding any of you as my friends. scoot4.pngscooties 23:12, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Is it invite-only right now? Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 23:53, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean :x. BUT just to let sysops know, you can admin the page without actually being in it. I'd also like a sysop or someone to take a look at the page before it's launched just to make sure its 100% good. scoot4.pngscooties 22:21, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
I'd be happy to take a look, but it doesn't come up in Facebook search, so I'm guessing it is "hidden/invite-only". Do you need my name to invite me? Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 01:37, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it isn't live yet. I can add you if you give me your email you set your facebook up with. you can email me it if you don't want it public. scoot4.pngscooties 22:32, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Support - It could prove to be good, so I'm willing to give it a shot. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 23:03, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Request for ... - Closure (per RS:SNOWBALL), and allowance to publish the page, and incorperate facebook admin to RS:RFA. For the time being though, sysops should be the only FB admins. They also all have reserved FB admin, they just have to request it from a current admin. It is pretty much ready to go, so theres my request :P. scoot4.pngscooties 04:06, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

  • Support closure - Sysops you wish to be a Facebook admin, please request it from either me, Tua or Ruud10k. Those are the only current ones but will grow eventually. IMPORTANT NOTE: If you post something on the wall or discussion board or anywhere under the "RuneScape Wiki page", you MUST sign your username at the end. Obviously, not with ~~~~ and you do not need to timestamp as that is done for you. Just a "~Chicken7" or "--Ruudvan10000", etc. This is to keep track of admin's usage of the board and prevent something like what happened on the old YT channel. Any unsigned post is REMOVED. I also support a new project page on the wiki "RuneScape:Off-site" or something, so we can list rules/info about our expansion off-site. If we get a YouTube channel, we can also list it there, and even say about the deal with Twitter. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 05:24, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
Comment - Should we make a section in the RuneScape:Administrators for off site admins? scoot4.pngscooties 05:27, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Content

The wiki page has been created (and I'd like to be a moderator please). In addition to the comments we may post, I think we should take the initiative to utilize it to the maximum, make it a viable community space to check up on things that might not normally appear on the wiki here, or would only appear on userpages. Much like Jagex runs their RuneScape facebook, it's less formal meaning. They post pictures and information on an individual scale and I feel we can offer the same for our members. I propose that as a community we can support each other this way.

I'd like it if we can post pictures of in-game events our members hold in the photo-album (such as level 99's, cc clan wars, wiki-fest, etc.), as approved by a moderator of the channel. We are not opening it to the public to post, still only those with the access rights, but it can be a great medium to bring additional awareness and interest to the facebook viewer. "Look, they have all these community members and these events and in-game fun*

Support - as above.

Bonziiznob Talk

13:40, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Support/Comment - I support, but we have a discussion page specifically for Facebook on a subpage of RS:OS. Also, I need you to give me your email address to be added; only way without being Facebook friends. Remember to use -at- and -dot- to prevent auto-spammers. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 14:17, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Those of us who are actually fans/admins can click "make admin" right there on the page. I did that for Bonzi already, shoulda mentioned. Soz I was tired.--Degenret01 18:42, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

This does not mean posting user events, only posting images of events we are given involving the community members

I will take on managing the photo's section and albums, if the users agree. Photo's may be e-mailed to me?

Bonziiznob Talk

19:00, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Cna I be admin on facebook?

I was wondering, since I proposed the idea, can i be an admin on the facebook page? it makes sense to me.--Ganonator 15:06, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

FB admin requests are only available to users who have sysop powers. Ask one of them first. Fishing.png NnK Oliver (600613) talk 16:38, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - This thread was about the creation of the Facebook page. As this has been done, we can direct the attention to the facebook page, located [[RuneScape talk:Off-site/Facebook|here]].

Bonziiznob Talk

19:05, January 16, 2010 (UTC)