I was thinking about a new page called: RuneScape Records. All of the records are written down in this page like:
- Closest Furnace to a bank
- P2P: Edgeville
- F2P: Falador
For example, and ofcourse, player records, like Zezima:
- First player to achieve 1,000,000,000 total experience
- I am neutral on this idea, but leaning more towards oppose (I know this isn't a vote or anything, but I'm unsure how to describe my position). But I don't think "Records" fits for your first examples. And how will you judge the closest of anything? What about shortcuts and such? But anyways, I don't think distances are really records. And I don't know how I feel about the player page records, because first, how do you cite it, and second, how do you determine what is notable enough to be written about? This is pretty much why we don't allow player pages to begin with. Christine 19:00, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Oppose per Christine. Player records are not notable nor verifable. The closest furnace to a bank could be noted in the furnace article, but we do not need a page listing miscellaneous records. Dtm142 19:07, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
- Semi-support - I would be supportive of an Almanac of various features in the game, which could include some listing of notable features like the longest river, largest city (in terms of NPC population or buildings), highest & lowest points you can access, or other similar kinds of features that can be verified in-game. These don't have to be necessarily in articles strictly about the features (like the Furnace article) and could be better organized in a whole bunch of ways that would also be very useful for players.
Articles about individual players (even groups of players), however, would be difficult due to verifiability. Who might have been the first player to defeat the King Black Dragon? Who has the longest continuous run in the Brimhaven Agility Arena? I don't know how this sort of information could be remotely verified. Even though Zezima's accomplishment of 1 billion exp is documented in a number of places (and can be verified that he is indeed above that number of experience points on the high scores pages), verifying when that happened is rather difficult. Jagex doesn't let web crawlers go through the high score pages (at least ones that follow ROBOTS.TXT guidelines). --Robert Horning 19:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
- Comment - I am really liking the Almanac idea, but it would be really very hard to document and require many hours of research, insight and depth into conversation, etc. How would we determine what is suitable to enter and what is not. Most facts are already in the article they are about anyways, so the point in summing them up is really pointless when it's already in the wikia. A disambig page set-up linking pages which support almanac material, but that is also pointless. I don't like the idea of records, as per DTM.
Sounds interesting, but most of that information is already in other articles. Level 99 skills has records of who was the first to get all 99s for each skill and total level, and as Dtm said, the 'closest furnace award' could be in the furnace article. I'm not sure exactly what this page would look like, either. If it's just a list, it sounds kinda' boring. Though if it could be useful, it could act as a hub somehow. Chiafriend12I have 12 friends. 01:37, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Oppose Per DTMAtlandy 14:51, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Semi-opposition This would be a good idea if not for the player records part; players can always look at the Highscores list on the RuneScape website for this. And it shouldn't be called records - is a close furnace really a record? Call it the Almanac like Robert Horning suggests. Mythomagic5 03:13, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Support of 2 different articles.I reckon an almanac would be really good, especially if it was categoriesd into segmennts such as smithing-->f2p--> closest furnace to bank: Falador or Al karid. Also, This wiki REALLY needs a Runescape Player history, which has all information from the world 111 massacre to Zezima getting 1bil xp and gertjaars gettin 4 200mil's (see 24th December, above). Runescape needs a History of events, not lots of different articles such as the level 99 one and other vague articles. We need one article/subarticles which has all the runescape player history in chhronological order to the best of our ability, with as much evidence as can be hoarded. Eg: pic of the highscores or of the world 111 massacre. Soon there'll be hordes of people with 4 200mils, so no one will know, unless we have this article.--Zilenserztalk! Join the RSWP today! 14:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
- The issue here is still one of verifiability. In terms of specific users, it is quite difficult to note who exactly did what to start any major riot or protest. The World 111 massacre is at least documented how it started, as there were a great many people who were there and it is mentioned in several fan website forums. Certainly there are events that happen in the game which are not "officially" referenced in the "weekly" (more or less) updates posted by Jagex regarding the game. Several riots and other similar kinds of events have been brought up for a VfD on the grounds of verifiability and notability... and how far do we draw the line here? Is a Castle Wars encounter between two major clans sufficient for noting and writing up an article here? What about a player completing Legends Quest? BTW, I put players earning 1 billion exp to be more or less in the same category as those who have completed the Legends Quest, just on a slightly different scale. More than worthy to put on your user page if you want to brag about it, but not worth more than a footnote anywhere else, certainly not about anybody who is not a regular participant on this wiki. Zezima perhaps a special mention by having a few player firsts, but otherwise even he isn't really all that special. --Robert Horning 22:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
So you're saying that: If it wasn't done by Jagex, it isn't worth having? wow, that's...strange... Oh, and about the legend quest thing: One user completing the legend's quest isn't History, unless he/she was noteably the first to compleat it (which, compared to the others, which are easy to prove, is impossible to prove.) it isn't relevant. The importance of the 200mil in 4 skills is: IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE... (and, to my knowledge) HAS NEVER BEEN DONE SINCE. Don't get me wrong, it is highly unlikely I ever even start the Legend's Quest, I don't even want to start it. But about 1/3 of the people that have any skill cape have the quest cape. Quite possibly, a 1/5th of level 100+'s will have done legends for the ability to wield the Dragon sq. someone being first to 4 200mils is ONE name, not thousands. If and when someone gets 5 200mils, it should be noted down on the page.--Zilenserztalk! Join the RSWP today! 18:22, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- It isn't like this particular accomplishment, achieving 200 million exp in 4 skills, has gone unnoticed on this wiki anyway, nor unmentioned. BTW, I was the user who restored the information about what users achieved level 99 for each skill on Level 99 skills and demanded that at least some sort of consensus happen there before information like this was removed from that and similar articles. That information was previously removed by somebody (you can look it up in the history log if you care... it is irrelevant to bring him up in this discussion) who thought it was site-wide policy to remove all references to any and all individual players in main-space articles. There is no firm policy, but there are several schools of thought and certainly several participants here who have a wide range of opinions on this topic.
- The issue of notability still is there, and what exactly makes somebody notable. Perhaps, just perhaps, I might accept some note for the first to certain skill capes and max exp. I've even brought up the idea for a special cape when players hit MAXINT (aka 2^31, which is when high scores can no longer be calculated). That hasn't happened yet, but it seems like there will eventually be a player with that many experience points. Still, now that somebody getting max exp in four skills has happened, what about five skills, six skills, seven skills, etc? What exactly is something notable for inclusion here? I mention the Legend's Quest because it is a major accomplishment for an individual player, but it really isn't something I'd call notable beyond just a few close friends and perhaps throwing a party in your POH after doing that quest. A major clan rumble might be perhaps a bit more notable (just to get something like that organized alone), and a major riot certainly fits the bill as something which has achieved notoriety in the game... or a hugely embarrassing glitch like what caused the world 111 massacre. But I don't see a clear line of notability here in this spectrum of notable accomplishments and mundane things like players who have completed the Restless ghost quest. Where, exactly, should the line be drawn here for notability? --Robert Horning 23:21, 12 January 2009 (UTC)