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This thread was archived on 4 December 2018 by Haidro.

Hello all. I’m wondering if it would be worthwhile to revive the practice of hand welcoming new users. The goal at the time was not only to give new users helpful information to get them started on the wiki, but also to add the extra touch of being contacted personally by an actual editor. I don't believe I was active at the time, but I assume the practice stopped when Wikia started welcoming users automatically. I also don’t have any data on whether or not the practice had any meaningful influence on future editing behaviour.

I bring this up in part because I've seen more than one potential editor cite negative interactions with more established editors as the reason they didn't continue editing (perhaps due to not quite meeting the established norms for the given article, and being effectively "warned" or informed that their edits weren't needed). I figure if we start users off with a more positive editor interaction showing that they are welcome on this wiki, new users may be more inclined to move past these hurdles should they arise.

Thoughts? Quest map icon.png Laser Dragon Task map icon.png 03:51, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

Support/Comment - I don't think it helps many people, but if it helps just one, I'd say it's worth it as it's not doing harm otherwise. Talk to Kelsey 04:34, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

It's not really clear to me what this is proposing. Are you suggesting 1) use of custom/more personalized welcome templates, rather than the default, 2) "handwritten" messages instead of a template, or 3) just more interaction with new users in general? Iiii I I I 04:36, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Having actual editors contact new users as opposed to an automated process. The message being left can be (optionally) personalized. Quest map icon.png Laser Dragon Task map icon.png 04:45, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Oppose - Having a bot leave a message vs having a human editor leave a template is a minor difference. The idea that someone will leave a personal welcome to every new user is great, but it won't happen in the long run. There is also the issue with it taking a long time for someone to leave the message, and by that time the user may have logged out and never get the notification pointing them to the new editing resources, while the bot ensured the users get those links as quickly as possible. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 06:22, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Comment - I suppose it would be nice if users got a "personal" welcome message, as then they would at least know someone to turn to in the event of something going wrong, whereas if it was a bot, they wouldn't know easily who to turn to for assistance. Fishing cape.png Kate the HuntressQuest.png 06:31, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Soft oppose - As much as I like the idea (and trust me, I'd love to show off my super cute welcome template again), having an automated process is much easier and consistent etc. (as Ty said). Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 08:45, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Comment - Would you mind showing me your welcome template here? Fishing cape.png Kate the HuntressQuest.png 09:29, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Ty & Star. I don't forsee a future in which every single registered user gets a personal welcome. Having an on-site ability to turn it off, (like Wikia had with their automated welcome messages), would be neat though. dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Betahib8CAd.png 10:01, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Oppose - The bot just posts {{Welcome}}, which is exactly what you’d been doing prior to it being turned on yesterday (for those interested, check Laser’s contributions - I’m on mobile). People have been wanting a bot process for this as it’s nore convenient. It doesn’t actually require any maintenance too because it’s just a MediaWiki extension. jayden 10:04, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Oppose - I think a bot is much more practical for getting everyone welcomed in a reasonable time frame. Having a user post the same kindof message doesn't add any value to it in my opinion, though I do think having a welcome is important. What I would suggest for people who would like to welcoming manually is to help out new editors who are editing incorrectly, leave a talk page message or @ them on discord and give them some advice, point them in the direction of Help:Editing or whatever. I think this would be much more impactful, though I know more of an effort. For tech peeps: thanks for implementing this :) Could we also look at getting the bot to create default user pages like we previously had on Wikia to prevent redlinks and make it easier to search for users? Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 10:12, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Oppose - Would however support an automated bot that switches randomly between the signatures of active admins or similar. Also, thanks to Star and Scuzzy for showing how their welcome messages look like, they're really interesting to look at :) Fishing cape.png Kate the HuntressQuest.png 10:48, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

The bot supports this, but this is not something we’ve wanted to do before because we’d rather attribute messages as being from the general RS Wiki community rather than a group of admins jayden 02:30, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Support personal welcomes in addition to the welcome-bot - A bot posting a message on someone's talk page is about as sterile as welcomes can get. Having actual people engage with the new users isn't a bad idea, even if it's just boilerplate - it gives them someone to turn to and makes a good first impression. But the automated welcoming means we get to direct everyone to useful resources, with no effort and no risk of missing people, and getting rid of that would probably be a mistake. -Hourglass (2011 Hallowe'en event) detail.png I Am Me Talk III The Spark.png- 00:37, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

You are already allowed to give someone a personal welcome message if you feel so inclined in addition to the automated welcome. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 02:14, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Comment - Why not simplify the welcome a bit? Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 19:41, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Oppose - While I don't support personal welcome messages, I'm not opposed to have some sort of welcoming commitee if it could be maintained. Interaction is great and I support that, I just think that the bot does it job and well. ALSO, we need to update the logo on the bot. RuneMetrics icon.png Tyler JarretTalkLight animica.png 00:03, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Nothing is stopping you from editing Template:Welcome. dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Betahib8CAd.png 09:25, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Comment - While I agree that personal messages are preferable, a bot is more reliable and maintainable Betsan (talk) 07:59, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Oppose - per Ty's comment, there is nothing preventing users from writing welcoming messages on their own initiative Trau (talk) 15:00, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Closed - User:New user message will continue to leave automated welcome messages to new users. However, users are of course welcome to post their own personal welcome message if they wish. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 06:17, 4 December 2018 (UTC)