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This thread was archived on 19 July 2010 by Degenret01.

Today, the CC user known as "IM NOT MELON" has been an absolute handful. Now, unfortunately, I only have one screenshot (and D-uck Ang-el has it), but here's a summary of what he's done today.

A clueless player came into the CC and requested someone to drop trade gold charms to him. After repeatedly responding to us when we mentioned that charms aren't tradable, he kept demanding that we do it-repeatedly still-and was kicked for minor trolling (he apologized later on, but I still don't buy the fact that he didn't know it wasn't possible). Melon got in my face and asked how it was trolling. When I replied he was like this (Paraphrased):

  • Him: Weegee?
  • Him: You can kick?
  • Me: Uhh, yeah, why?
  • Him: Weren't you stripped of your powers?

I am very sensitive about that desysopping incident. Regardless of polite requests to drop the subject, he told me that I was trying to "control him" and that I "couldn't control what he wanted to say". He did so in a very disrepectful manner, almost like I was a pain to be around.

Later, rather recently, in fact, he evaded the Jagex censor by using the word "retard" as "retardy" to describe Elemental Workshop 3. Though this does not refer to a person, the manner that "retardy" was used is clearly censor evasion. He was adamant about me being wrong about said evasion, and claimed it was not censor evasion due to a thing known as "Mario Retardy" This DOES NOT change the fact that he used it in a different, derogatory context.

Screenshot of "retardy" incident:

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/7614/croppedmelon.jpg

In fact, Melon has been hostile pretty much the whole day, and when he gets in such a mood, he gets really rude and mean. I am therefore either requesting an immediate day-long block to cool down, OR requesting a CC warning that could lead to a longer CC block. I'll leave the desicion up the the community; personally, even though I'm miffed about it all, I'm wanting more of a warning. 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 00:43, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

I was in the CC for the first incident. While Melon clearly engaged in flamebaiting, you stooped to his level, Stinko. You say that you politely asked him not to talk about being de-sysopped. As I recall, you said something like "Don't talk about that," to which his response was along the lines of "I can say whatever I want." The argument stopped only after I requested that they argue via private chat or elsewhere and then gave a more firm warning. I wasn't there for the "retard" incident, but I did spend several hours in the CC, and Melon was pretty rowdy all day. In my opinion, he should be warned, but please just ignore him in the future, Stinko. Slayer-icon.png Gangsterls Divination-icon.png talk 00:53, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
Ehhh, it's easy enough. I just wanted to defend myself. 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 00:54, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

I actually have quite a few problems with this. Regarding your desysop, I've never spoken to you about it before today. You said moments before that section in chat that you had kicked somebody who may not have deserved it, which is debatable in it's own right. I thought your powers had been stripped, relatively recently. How did I become aware of this? Your desysop thread is still available to the wikian public to see and read. If you have a problem with people mentioning it, although I hadn't even asked for any details, simply confirmation, you should see if you can find a way to have that hidden from public, or learn to simply not jump down people's throats when they ask simple questions. He claims that he politely requested I drop the subject, when instead he insisted I wasn't there (that much is true, but I was still able to read the entire thread that had his power stripped, so I do know the story), and that I therefore had no place to talk. That was a very rude remark, to which I stood my ground like any other self-respecting Wikian would and as far as I'm concerned should have done.

I have a couple screenshots. Normally I'd crop so it's just the chatbox, but I'd like to leave my entire screen within them so that my computer's clock remains visible. The first one, [1] , is of the kick that prompted my question to stinko. The second one, [2] demonstrates his rude remark, and my defense. Also, I suppose although "Retardy" wasn't used specifically for the sake of censor evasion, if you'd like to hold me accountable for it, by all means do. The meaning and intent is still basically the same. (Having issues with my text appearing in dotted lined boxes... sorry about the edits) I am not vot, I am Melon! 01:02, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

I would support either a tempban or a warning. Melon has been a lot of trouble lately (sorry, Melon, but it's true) for a lot of people, myself included. What's unfortunate is that when he gets mad, rather than merely professing his anger he decides to take it out on other people. When I told him that he was going to be missing out on most of the elf questline (he didn't want to do Sheep Herder, and was mad at how "incredibly hard" it was), I was promptly called an idiot. I feel that this was uncalled for. However, I do not have a screenshot of it, but I believe other people can testify (I know for a fact that Stinko was there, at least). Just my two cents. Pork-n-Duck 01:20, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - I think both sides were in the wrong here. Stinko, I think you should have been a bit more civil to Melon. Melon, I have to agree with Duck on this, you tend to take out your anger on others, often in a way that constitutes flaming or trolling. Note that in the second screenshot you posted, I don't think you were trolling in any way. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 01:45, July 19, 2010 (UTC) 

<3 you Melon!! <3 You guys are blowing this way out of proportion... Seriously. This is such a minor incident. Heck, I've bypassed the censor way more times than Melon has. And that question about de-ranking? That's a legitimate question. I would've asked the same thing. Melon is in no way annoying (except for maybe the CAPS LOCK in his name), and should not be temp/perm banned or really a warning even. ~Loo Loo Girl~ (I can't do any of that fancy HTML stuff, so I'll just leave this as is >_>)

I believe Melon knew about Stinko's sensitivity about his de-sysop; I certainly did, and even if I hadn't I wouldn't have brought it up in such a way that disrespect is implied. When you finish your post, your signiature is put there by adding four tildes (~). Pork-n-Duck 02:53, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose I think this is just an attack on Melon. As a Mookie I can spot posts like these a mile away. I think it's awful to single him out. Everyday people in the cc act out and don't get their own yg thread. If you want to ban Melon for his "offenses" go right ahead. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Also, porknduck how can you say that what he said was disrespectful? It is what it is. ~.M.O.O.K.I.E~ Ranged Synkk Talk Slayer 02:57, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Melon has been acting up for awhile now, and more often too. His individual episodes aren't very severe, but there are so many of them that they're really starting to add up. And to my eyes, saying "Weren't you stripped of that power?" seems a little more disrespectful than "Didn't your ability to kick get removed?". They both mean the same thing, but the first definitely has negative connotations. And please punctuate my name right >_> Pork-n-Duck 03:17, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
So you're right. Anytime something disrespectful is said, the offending user should be temp-banned. Case closed.

Ranged Synkk Talk Slayer 03:25, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

I did say that I'd prefer a warning (or at least I meant to) Pork-n-Duck 03:30, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
  • I don't like Melon at all, but his comments to Stink about his desysop were neither inappropriate nor sanctionable. The censor evasion I don't care about, because I think proscription of evasion is a stupid rule. But yeah, sufficient evidence to support any disciplinary action in this case is absent. (wszx) 03:24, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Slight Oppose - I agree with TLUL here, but I think that Melon knows how to be calm and not take out his anger on those who didn't deserve it, but he should make his "trolling" episodes stop happening, and just leave the CC himself when he's angry/feeling like trolling/whatever. If he doesn't stop doing that, however, I'll be forced to change my vote to support. Quest point cape detail.png Brux Talk 03:31, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Okay, honestly, I think you need to stop being such a sensitive twit. If he wants to evade the censor to insult a QUEST then he can do that, it is not your job to uphold stupid rules who protect nobody. If he was on the other hand trying to RWT or something serious then I would understand but it looks like you're just making every attempt to get him kicked off because you got your panties in a twist about him bringing up your de-op'ing. Get over it. Composite 4

RS:UTP- please be more respectful in future comments. If you read RS:CC, you are not allowed to bypass the censor for any reason, as it violates the Rules of RuneScape. --Aburnett(Talk) 04:02, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
Wrong. There is NO rule against bypassing the censor. The rule is that you may not use offensive language, whether it bypasses the censor or not. HaloTalk 04:05, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
If a word is censored because it is offensive, bypassing the censor in order to use the word is breaking the Rules of RuneScape. RS:UCS, a rule against offensive language is essentially a rule against bypassing the censor. --Aburnett(Talk) 04:13, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
Hitler is censored, and depending on context is not offensive, don't be so simplistic. Composite 4
RS:UCS. --Aburnett(Talk) 04:17, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
That doesn't make there a rule against it. Common sense would tell you that. Use a policy if you are going to cite it. HaloTalk 04:19, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
Sigh, apparently were looking at this from a different angle. I was saying common sense would tell you that hitler could be offensive in certain context, but never mind. --Aburnett(Talk) 04:28, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
My comment was rather at your other comment. "A rule against offensive language is essentially a rule against bypassing the censor." Essentially does NOT equal a rule. I was saying common sense would tell you that. However, I agree about the Hilter thing, but that's mainly just Jagex being overprotective of the 11 year olds that play. HaloTalk 04:31, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Support - But not because of the evidence provided. People can talk about whatever they want as long as it doesn't break any rules, so get over it. I think the word "retarded" is a stupid word to censor, and I can only guess Jagex does that because it's primary definition refers to the mental state, even though most people just mean it as an exaggeration of stupid. As he was insulting the quest, and not a player, it doesn't break UTP. Avoiding the censor in and of itself is against no rule. Avoiding it to be offensive is however. The problem I take with Melon is that he often trolls. I don't know if he means to, but it often causes heated arguments in which the common denominator seems to be him. HaloTalk 04:05, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

You do realize the trolling, by definition, is intentional. (wszx) 05:03, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Meh, you have a point. I'm using a broader definition of trolling. He causes arguments that aren't beneficial or even have a point. I don't know if he intends to do that. If that's not trolling, excuse me then. HaloTalk 05:07, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I would like to point out that "retardy" appears in my first screenshot, as well, with no negative response, and a rather neutral one from haloolah123. Shrug. I am not vot, I am Melon! 05:16, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose I don't usually involve myself in matters with the CC since I'm almost never on, but this one seems particularly unjust towards melon. I don't care one little bit that he said the quest was retard, and I don't care that he evaded the censor to do it. His aggression wasn't directed towards anyone, it was just expression of frustration at a quest he thought was poorly designed, or whatever his issue with it was. As for asking about his desysopping, I can't read his mind, but I can see how he could legitimately be surprised that stinko could still kick people, since logically if you lost your sysop abilities, you'd lose your kicking abilities in clan chat. And even if it was a deliberate needling directed towards stinko, that alone is not enough to warrant a ban of any length. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 05:29, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

This is most defenitely not his only offense, nor is it his worst; he's constantly flaming and trolling, and many agruments in the chat can be traced back to him at the very root. This is just the only instance for which there is photo evidence. Pork-n-Duck 05:57, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
Probably not true. We have a lot of creepy wikians that like to screenie everything said in chat. HaloTalk 05:58, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Closed insufficient evidence to ban user.--Degenret01 06:06, July 19, 2010 (UTC)