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This thread was archived on 30 June 2010 by Soldier 1033.

This discussion is requesting that the community review the past actions of Degenret01, and is proposing that Degenret01 to be removed of his title, tools, and powers as an administrator of the RuneScape Wiki.

Before I begin my argument, it is unfortunate that I feel I have to request this. Administrators should uphold the rules and policies of the Wiki, as well as set an example for other users. In November of 2008, the same month I joined the RuneScape Wiki, Degenret01 was nominated to become an administrator, and was successful in becoming one.

Upon accepting his nomination, he took this oath:

I, Degenret01, accept this nomination for adminship. I have read the policies concerning administrators. I realize that this nomination may fail. If I do get community consensus, I promise not to abuse my powers because I realize that this is a serious offence and if the community finds that I have done so, my powers will be revoked and in extreme cases I could be given a community ban. Signed, --Degenret01 08:45, 10 November 2008 (UTC).

Unfortunately, from incidents spanning from 2009 to present day, it certainly doesn’t seem that he has been living up to his oath, and the expectations of administrators of the Wiki. Instead, he has allowed personal opinions and beliefs to cloud his thought and actions as servant to this Wiki and this community.

Between 18:35 and 18:50 on 28 May 2009, 67.71.53.23 vandalized my user page five times, deleting several things, as well as inserting defamatory and opinionated information.

On 18:53 on the same day, Degenret01 blocked the user who vandalized my user page for a number of three days. However, this was not without serious consideration and will power in regards to whether or not he, Degenret01, should block him for vandalizing my user page. He actually debated whether or not to block this person who obviously and quite clearly broke the policies of the Wiki.

On 9 March 2010 the following month, Powers38, another administrator of the RuneScape Wiki, left the following message on Degenret01’s talk page:

Star find rox my world! Now I know why you hate them lol. And a birdy told me your name, murphalicious! =P Thanks for helping me against that SF girl. I seemed to get picked on RuneScape for doing absolutely nothing or anything that is bad lol. Powers38 13:14, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Degenret01 responded by posting the following message on Powers28’s talk page:

Blocking the Star find hater It really did take an effort of will to click block on that guy. But after all I have said about integrety I really had to do it. Life is funny that way eh?--Degenret01 00:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Administrators should not allow personal and biased opinions to cloud the way of effectively making the RuneScape Wiki a better place, and in this case, doing so by punishing a clear vandal.

It also appears that Degenret01’s personal vendetta against me for illegitimate and biased reasons has even affected the way he places his support in policy-changing discussions. For example, in this discussion, Degenret01 immediately jumped in to voice his rude, unconstructive, defamatory opinions in regards to a topic which had absolutely no relevance to the current discussion. Word-for-word:

Clan Star Find has hundreds of member who are very arrogant extremely rude constantly flaming jerks. They are not the kind of people we wish to associate with. Visit a world with 4 or 5 homeworlders on a star, and 4 or 5 members of Star Find. Their arrogance is oppressive and they constantly berate and belittle others.  Team penguin is helpful and friendly to all and I have never seen any of their ranks be anything other than polite, helpful, and friendly. These two groups are worlds apart in ideologies and how they function. Star Find is as evil and nasty a group as any merch clan, and I mean any. Associating our name with theirs would having us endorse one of the most hated clans in RuneScape. I do not exaggerate or joke on this.--Degenret01 23:58, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Now remember, the discussion in which he stated this was in regards to policies surrounding the RuneScape Wiki Twitter account—nothing else. Instead, he stereotyped and labeled an irrelevant community of players within the game by calling them “very arrogant extremely rude constantly flaming jerks” whose “arrogance is oppressive”, going on to say that they “constantly berate and belittle others”.

Another biased, rude remark spanning from Degenret01's lack of self-control includes this one from this discussion:

What I am about to say next has zero bearing what so ever on this discussion, and I wasn't going to bring it up, but since Diriz wants to mention some good points about Star Find, you should be aware that they are also hated/despised by hundreds and hundreds of RuneScapers, if not thousands. And that is NOT an exaggeration. Seriously. I would personally welcome merch clans into this wiki before Star Find. But because I feel so strongly about this I am not speaking on the issue of whether or not we should have clans here. I am way too biased.--Degenret01 08:33, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

All of the above examples clearly show Degenret01’s lack of self-control when it comes to issues which involve people that he doesn't like—specifically me.

Wrapping up, Degenret01’s actions spanning from early 2009 to today, 30 June 2010, have clearly shown a biased character behind the computer screen, whose personal opinions directly and strongly affect the way he moderates and handles his actions on the RuneScape Wiki. I feel as if his opinions against me, and communities which have no bearing on the Wiki affect his judgments and actions as an administrator against me, Star Find. As such, I am requesting that the community strip him of his title, powers, and tools as an administrator of the RuneScape Wiki.

Thanks.

Discussion

Support - As nominator. Star FindTalk 03:49, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per reasons listed by the nominator. Judging by his actions, he is unfit for this position here on the Wiki. Risk Wizard 04:00, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Sigh. Where to start. Degenret01 is a great user, and a great administrator. He deals with vandals and trolls efficiently, and does not feed the trolls. He knows how to be serious, but also how to have a good time. I don't think that I could oppose this proposal more. Let's start with your "evidence".

So, roughly all of your evidence provided is worthless. You have taken everything that he has said out of context, and warped it in an attempt to make it look like he was in the wrong. The first two quotes, not including the RfA one, were clearly meant as jokes. Anyone can see that. Your third piece of evidence, his post on the other forum that you started, is hardly one of blatant flaming. He has a strong opinion on it, and has expressed that opinion. I would even go as far as to say that you have made this entire thread as a result of that comment. Degenret01 sometimes has strong opinions on matters. Is that a crime? No. Is that unbecoming of an administrator? No.

Now, let's go onto the actual removal of his sysop tools. Degenret01 has never abused his sysop tools, and as such there is no need to remove them. He hasn't been trolling users, he hasn't been blatantly violating policies, so once again, why remove them?

Now, onto your motivation for making this forum. I will note at the start that I am attempting to assume good faith, however, there is some clear evidence here to support what I'm about to say. Half of your evidence is related to what Degenret01 said in your proposal, to have the Star Find clan be followed by our wiki's Twitter account. He had a strong opposition to this, and he explained why. Is it safe to assume that you are making this thread mainly over those comments? Especially since the other two pieces of evidence that you have provided were intended as jokes, I'd say that that is a logical conclusion to arrive at. However, because I am trying to assume good faith, I will not say that this is the truth. This is, however, an observation that should be shared. Thanks. ajr 04:21, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed your first piece of evidence. If I were an admin in that case, I would definitely debate blocking that IP. Only one of those edits was obviously vandalism, and who knows, maybe you had forgotten to sign in. It would be a different story if that IP had replaced your userpage with something nasty five times over. ajr 04:25, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Ajr, sure everyone has disagreements with him but he has not abused his powers and you can't remove someone's powers for having a strong opinion on something and standing up for what he believes in, also there is nothing wrong with referring to another user as to whether a person should be blocked or not.Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 04:31, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Degen is one of the best people we have around here. The only thing I can find to criticize him on is that he is too bold. Which I'm cool with, because most of our sysops aren't. HaloTalk 04:38, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - 1)"I promise not to abuse my powers because I realize that this is a serious offence and if the community finds that I have done so, my powers will be revoked and in extreme cases I could be given a community ban"

I have yet to see Degen actually abuse his powers.

2)and quite clearly broke the policies of the Wiki.

I would also like to see the policy that says we cannot debate if we should block an ip or not.

3)"Blocking the Star find hater It really did take an effort of will to click block on that guy. But after all I have said about integrety I really had to do it. Life is funny that way eh?--Degenret01 00:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)"

Administrators should not allow personal and biased opinions to cloud the way of effectively making the RuneScape Wiki a better place, and in this case, doing so by punishing a clear vandal.

He actually did block the vandal that vandalized your user page didn't he? If he blocked you for purely because you created/are Star find, then I would have agreed to desysop him, but he didn't. (I also just want to say that there was an SF person at that time who started talking bad about me)

4)Who should RSWiki follow discussion.

This one I'm not too sure. He may have read this "then I would like the Wiki to follow my community’s Twitter" and didn't know you were making a point.

5)Degen's other rude remark

He has admitted that he was biased and therefore did not oppose or support your blocking.

To sum it up, While Degen does not like you, he can control himself. He still blocked the vandal that vandalized your page and he remained neutral in the discussion that involves you. He has not demonstrated abuse of his powers and (As far as I know) being biased or rude doesn't really warrant a desysop. (Per contract during RfA as it does not mention user being rude or biased) Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 04:40, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - Star Find asked me to close this discussion. Andrew talk 04:44, June 30, 2010 (UTC)