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This thread was archived on 2 December 2009 by Degenret01.

This first section has been closed and is split off to reduce lag--Degenret01 04:55, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

I am formally requesting the Wiki User Karl West have her access to the wiki's channel removed. Karl has been known to bring forth issues of concern before and her recent attempts to instigate more problems within the CC are not only continuing her misconduct but are now ignoring the rules of Jagex, at which I feel we need to address. Today she stated a Wiki's users Full Name in the cc, which is a violation of Jagex Rules (Providing Personal Information). With this addition and her past brought forth, I move to have her removed. Sources of past action is available on request to those who are unfamiliar with Karl's past activity.

Bonziiznob Talk

05:03, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

Support - As Nom.

Bonziiznob Talk

05:03, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Support - I was there when that happened. Besides being offensive to Christine, it is also an infringement of Runescape rules. She also followed up by spamming the CC with several accounts for about an hour, which shows she shouldn't have been unbanned from CC in the first place. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 05:11, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - This is disruptive to the wiki as a whole, as the clan channel represents the wiki. Therefor as she is disrupting the wiki, I feel a block is necessary and with her recent actions, a longer one at that. I have blocked her and the creation of other accounts from that address for 6 months. This will not jeopardize her brother's account, Ruud, as he has sysop rights.

Bonziiznob Talk

05:17, November 29, 2009 (UTC)~

Support - She hasn't changed. I shouldn't have to worry about anyone revealing personal information about me. Following are all the times she spammed the wiki cc. Although some use the same name, I can assure you they are all different times she entered and exited.

-Christine 05:20, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
Comment - She just re-entered the cc and again said my full name. It's clear that she will take every opportunity to harass me, and she needs to be banned from the cc for her behaviour. Christine 05:27, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Support - She's broken Jagex/Wiki rules once, and she's done it once again, now it's time to remove her perm. or for a long time. A bit immature to come on several accounts to spam a clan chat. looking at her page, I see she was born exactly one day before me, omglol Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 05:43, November 29, 2009 (UTC) :Pending. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 08:48, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - SHE WUZ FRAMDED =o Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 09:13, November 29, 2009 (UTC)


Support - Giving out someone's full name to a large group without their permission is inexcusable. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 05:45, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Withdrawn - I don't know what's going on anymore. Whoever gave out Christine's full name should be b& though. Lol kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 20:55, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Karl West, after you spent all that time apologizing to everyone and trying to earn our trust back you turn around and pull this. All I can say is why? I know now what your true intentions are and I will never again be able to assume good faith about your actions. You have made a mockery of our community by telling us you have changed and convincing us that it is all true to the point where we reached a consensus to forgive you and un-ban you from the clan chat only to turn around and spit in our faces, especially at Christine who you typed a nice, long apology to. Grow up. Quit trolling. It isn't funny at all and you should be ashamed of yourself. Andrew talk 07:05, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Support - I am so sorry to Christine that I supported the reinstatement of Karl West back into the CC. I will never do so again.--Degenret01 07:13, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

I was given to understand that this was known to be Georgia. Looking back the harassment is in a much different form than from before.Do have anything to go on as proof?--Degenret01 08:45, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Georgia has currently had a block from the internet by our mother, NOpotsneeded is NOT Georgia, The only one's to use this computer today have been my brother, mother, father and myself. Once again, I can swear that georgia has made No such comments, If this passses and my sister is blocked, you may as well say goodbye to me. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 08:19, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

I can also comment that no other accounts in the screenshots are my sisters. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 08:20, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - How do you know it was her? This seems to be trying to convict someone on past suspicion, and that's not right. Prove it was actually her and not just some other random dude. Also, I looked up on highscores the accounts and one of them is nearly maxed out combat so... Ruudvan sister wasn't probably the spammer, he would probably know if his sister had access or has such an account. (Idk what his sisters stats are) This is relevant. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 08:32, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

PendingStrong Oppose - One thing that struck me while reading this discussion is that none of the screenshots actually showed her account (GeorgiaDuval) saying those things, and that makes me wonder how you guys found out that all those accounts belonged to her. What Ruud just said basically affirmed my suspicions. So..where's the evidence that it was her behind all those accounts? I'm not going to oppose yet because it may be that I'm missing something that the screenshots don't show. C.ChiamTalk 08:35, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Further evidence below made it pretty obvious it wasn't her. C.ChiamTalk 08:58, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - All you supporters, How do you know it was her and not someone else? Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 08:40, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - My brother is the one responsible for Christines name being released. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 08:41, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

And where would my sister find the time to train a maxed out account? when her own main account is lvl 77. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 08:43, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
Comment - ffs, two edit conflicts -.- So... was it your brother who was spamming and harassing Christine with the above accounts? Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 08:48, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
No, it wasn't my brother either. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 08:51, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - I was there, and an account that came on, Ruudvan10000 said christine's full name. On the real ruud's userpage, he mentions that his brother has stolen his account name. Furthermore, there is a conversation between leeveclarke and Ruudvan10000 posted on Christine's talkpage. I trust Ruud enough for him to know which accounts his family uses. Futhermore, it is true that the current account of Karl West (GeorgiaDuval) has not logged on today because she didn't come up as logged in. Also, I have had personal experiences with her, and she has always been polite to me and those with me. I'll admit though, that I was not around for her earlier transgressions, but I have never seen her act in a negative fashion. UQSLJJBucket detail.pngrwojy 08:45, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - These are the spammers total lvl's

  • Poooop466, total lvl - 1,117
  • N0p0tsneeded, total lvl - 1,003
  • raleighriper - total lvl - 1,925
  • Spikethechao - total lvl - 1,576

-- Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 08:51, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Comment -This leads me to believe there is some ... Christine-hate-cult group or something OMG!.. either that, or someone has alot of time on their hands to have four high-levelish accounts.
Also, is there any proof that Georgia, Karl West was the spammer/harasser/name-revealer? Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 08:53, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
That pretty much confirms that it wasn't Georgia behind those accounts, seems more like some guy got his friends together to harass Christine. C.ChiamTalk 08:58, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Ok Ruud, do you have any ideas how to keep your brother off the comps/blocked from the wiki, but not block your sister? BTW, I have unblocked her wiki account.--Degenret01 08:56, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

My brother has already recieved a year long mute, I think that is punishment enough, after all he isn't behind the trolling, just the name-giving. I also think that if this turns out to be some "Cult" thingy, we should all apologise to Karl, after all it isn't nice being accused for all those things. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 09:04, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. Georgia may have a history with Christine but that isn't sufficient evidence to pin the blame on her, or give her a block for that matter. C.ChiamTalk 09:07, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

It sure seems like Karl West was accused on coincidental evidence and assumptions. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 09:00, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Unless someone shows me a screenshot which says "Karl West:This is Christine's real name hahah ---> _______" or w/e happened, I'm going to have to Oppose. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 09:03, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Per other opposes. It seems that Georgia/Karl West was framed. =O ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  09:08, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - It seems like there is a cult against you, Christine OMG! Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 09:11, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - We should apologize to Karl West if it does come through that this was a false accusation. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 09:14, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - It is a mystery! "Sherlock Holmes and the case of the Christine hate group". Someone should write a RSWNP story with that title =D Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 09:59, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

This isn't funny. 13:47, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Okay. It wasn't me.  Abyssal whip.png  chronicsin Talk 10:10, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Over the course of the past few days with her being unblocked, I have been completely convinced she has changed. Ruud has made it clear that this was not Georgia, and it would be totally unfair to block her from the cc again for something she did not do. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 12:58, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I will withdraw my request and apologize to Karl is it can be proven this wasn't her. I do wish to believe Ruudvan and I don't have much reason not to, but as her brother I feel your comment is bias. I would most likely defend my sister too, so good on you for trying, but I don't feel a comment by the offenders brother is enough reason to influence my opinion. Even if the above accounts were not her's she still entered the channel and stated Christine's full name, which is a violation of Jagex Rules. In addition to her previous encounters with Christine and her past actions in the cc, I still feel a removal from the channel is warranted.

Bonziiznob Talk

13:41, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

EDIT CONFLICT: And what strikes me further is the comments made in P.M. yesterday. As Karl logged into her account, which is odd because Ruudvan says her mother isn't allowing her on the computer, I asked her about the actions in the channel. Her P.M. reply back to me was spam, and consisted of multiline pm's such as G G H G G T GH G G G G G GGG G G G G. When each character is spammed into your private chat after an attack on Christine in the channel ,who we suspect was Karl, it's not very flattering to be spammed back. And in question, how was it Karl was online if she is not allowed on the internet...was she account sharing? 13:53, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
Err Bonzi, one question. I thought that was the point we were trying to get across. Karl West isn't behind any of the accounts, so when did she enter the channel and state Christine's full name? C.ChiamTalk 13:49, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
She did enter on Ruudvan10000. 13:55, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
How do you know that was her? Ruudvan10000 is controlled by her little brother (not Ruud btw). C.ChiamTalk 13:56, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
but I don't feel a comment by the offenders brother is enough reason to influence my opinion, Oh sorry bonzi, I forgot I wasn't allowed to put my opinion in a serious issue concerning my family. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 15:26, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
As a sysop on the wiki I would have hoped you would come to an understanding as to why we can't allow this kinda of behvaiour. Brother or not, sister or not, if they are doing something wrong it needs to be addressed. 16:32, November 29, 2009 (UTC)