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First half of this discussion ended up being closed and is archived Forum:Request_to_remove_user_from_CC/Archive--Degenret01 01:53, December 3, 2009 (UTC)


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Change to request

I just did some very throughout research myself and excluded all comments and research by Ruudvan10000, her brother her on the wiki. With my research I must apologize to Karl West for my block and actions towards her as I've come to the conclusion that the account Ruudvan10000 is not owned by Karl. It was under my understanding that Karl West owned the account Ruudvan10000. This is very confusing. 3 members of 1 family with the common interest of Runescape. Ruudvan10000 (the Sysop), Karl West and Ruudvan10000 (the brother). As a family who can easily communicate, I think it's best if you guys would discuss with each other what exactly is going on. Karl has a fued with Christine and gets in trouble with her in the past. Her brother changes his account name to his other brothers former name and leads on to be Karl (that was my understanding) and flames Christine more so. This is very odd and confusing.

So, again, I will apologize to Karl. With that said, I must defend my stance on the security of the channel, as that is my main goal and weather it's Karl, Karl's brother or anyone, we must be diligent in this. I withdrawn my request to remove Karl West (who I thought was Ruudvan10000 on RS) and move to ban the following users from the channel instead:

• N0p0tsneeded • raleighriper • Spikethechao • Detinytime • Poooop466 • Ruudvan10000 (Karl's Brother)

Bonziiznob Talk

14:46, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Support I am going to ask C Teng to block these now, no way the community will not go along with this.--Degenret01 15:01, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Hold on a sec. Someone tell me how and why the hell some little kid I've never spoken to knows my full name. This information clearly either came from Karl or the real Ruud, and since she's the one with the past with me, I'm not inclined to believe it was him. Christine 18:04, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Time will tell. Let see what happens now. 19:02, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
No, I want answers. If she told him, which she HAD TO have, then that changes everything. Christine 19:18, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - so confusing.. :s Andrew talk 18:18, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I just added them all to the Ignore List. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 18:35, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Request for Closure - Per Teng. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 20:39, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
This isn't anywhere near over yet. Christine 21:09, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
I agree. There is still one main issue that needs resolving; how did Ruudvan10000 (the brother, not the wikian) find Christine's full name? ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  05:40, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
I would assume that Syspos Ruud and non-hacker karl would talk about the wiki, so it wouldn't be hard to overhear it in a conversation. They do live with each other. I much prefer the Christine hate group idea, it was more interesting. It could have been a conspiracy that went all the way to the top. (and by the top I mean Andrew Gower =D) Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 05:58, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
Btw, to make it less confusing can we call them "Sysops Ruud", "Karl the reformed" and "on-trial Ruud". It will make it easier to follow. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 05:59, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
Sysop Ruud is on Christines Fb, and we all know how little bros watch everything older brothers do.--Degenret01 06:09, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
Comment - I'm not sure about what actually happened since I wasn't around when the incident occurred, but Christine does have a very good question that I think we all need to investigate to the fullest extent of our abilities before we close the book on this case. That's just my opinion on the matter though. --Alora Skye user | talk | sandbox 06:13, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
Can I make a point here? I was banned from the internet for three days...how the hell could I of stated Christines real name? She's not even my friend on FB, also the computer at home is at view for everyone to see, anyone can see what anyone is doing. I did not state Christines name  Abyssal whip.png  chronicsin Talk 06:16, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
Bias or no bias, I am going to comment, Christines name was seen by my brother on Facebook, My sister did not tell him to say your name, Christine, My brother has been punished, I don't the point of this carrying on, Georgia has already been proven innocent, It seems, that there may be people with a Grudge here, I advise them to throw their immaturity out of the window and grow up. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 06:29, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Raleighriper apparently wasn't one of the spammers. He was just being obnoxious for a couple of comments as shown in one of the screen shots. He's one of Jediadam's friends and I don't think he should have been banned with the rest of the spammers. --Wowbagger421 07:34, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Should any of the spammers actually be banned from the cc?? As far as I can tell, they are all one time offenders who were kicked without warning. They are not maliciously trying to harm the wiki or the clan chat, instead just continually referring to a joke that was in (very) bad taste. The only reason why Karl had a thread created about her is because she was previously blocked from the cc for multiple similiar incidents. NOrmally it is repeate offencers that don't learn that we want to keep out, not people that make one bad judgement. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 08:49, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Yes, on the 2nd screenie you have Christine my friend Raleighripper was not spamming, he was simply doing what we all did to start off this whole thing it seems, and mocking the spamers. I should have noticed before but I just glanced over them, but it not come to my attention until he talked to me today and wanted to enter our CC but he could not. Previously I didn't even know he was in question in this discussion, I thought it was just the others. He is not one of the spammers, just a new Wikian lol. He wishes to be let back into the CC and I will advise him to be more careful with what he says and when. The others, yes, were for sure spamming. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 09:00, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I would also have to agree with Evil Yanks above, were these people ever warned? Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 09:04, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
What difference does it make that he was new to the wiki?? New wikians should still know it was wrong. He made the sexual noioses at christine multiple times like the rest of them, and there as absoutly nothing to indicate that he was being sarcastic when he said them. If failed sarcasm on multiple attempts is a legitimate excuse, then all 4 of them could claim that. I think that he deserves the same concequences as the rest of them. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 09:07, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
We should not have to be playing the role of telling people what is ok and what is not. If any of these four thought what they did was ok by any standards then they just aren't the kind of people we should want around. Let them run off and join in a pk clan of 12 year olds other immature idiots, they are wiki material.--Degenret01 09:26, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
We can be too hasty to judge degen, I myself once said the f word uncensored in the cc when I first started using it. It could have very easily then been declared that I was "not wikian material" and ostracised from society. We need to do more then judge them on just one bad decision. For all we know in a years time they might be the Degenret (or any other respected wikian) of their day. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 09:40, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
No... Raleigh did not make the sexual noioses... that was 'Nopotsneeded'. If Raleigh gets banned then so should the 10 other Wikians that did the same exact thing just moments before, but this doesn't mean it's right. He just didn't outright spam like the others did, that is why I wish he be allowed back in. He says he was not connected to the others. Raleigh had been in the CC previous days... A bunch of known Wikians said stuff along the lines of 'ohh christine!!!' even before the spammers started to show up. - I just want my friend who wasn't with the group of spammers and did nothing that others didn't moments before to be able to enjoy the CC... he was mistakenly labeled as one of the group spammers - Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 09:51, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
Just because others have committed the same offence does not make what he did right. If you have photos of the 10 others that said it and put them here, then they would receive the same punishment/decision that then others are getting. I do wonder what part of "Ooooooh Christine!!!!!" is not sexual. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 10:06, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
I hardly even see how it is sexual. "Oh" could be sexual of course, but when I first read this, I didn't think it was. Actually, I only noticed it after you said it. So it's not all sexual, or at least not to everyone. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 15:20, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
"Ohhhh it's all over my pants!". Miasmic Blitz icon.png Hapi007 Talk! Sign! . 16:15, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
OMG! Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 16:30, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
How was that in any way constructive, Hapi? Christine 18:43, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
I was proving that it wás meant sexual, in response to Oli4Burggraa. Miasmic Blitz icon.png Hapi007 Talk! Sign! . 19:27, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
I already understood it, thank you. OMG! Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 19:53, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

All of the participants were engaging in an internet form of mob mentality and cyber bullying. This is a despicable offense that goes much beyond a simpe utterance of the F word. It as a low form of cowardice where individuals attempt to avoid responsiblity for their own actions by being part of that mob. Just as a bank robbery get away driver is as guilty as some one inside pulling a trigger on a bank teller, so must all of these people be held equally responsible.--Degenret01 10:51, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

I do not agree. I think that these people should just be warned, but not banned yet - only if they do it again. Seriously, when everyone started saying "fma" a few weeks ago, should they all have been banned? NO. Most weren't even kicked. I understand that this is a bad form of bullying, but I don't think that banning them will help. Seriously, if they really hate Christine, they'll make another account. If they don't make another account, then it's a last offense. It's that simple. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 15:18, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
I think the person controlling each account is using autotypers as well. (Look at how Christine is misspelled the exact same way the first time, and how each person says the same things, line after line.) Just a little something to take into consideration. ASATO MA SAD GAMAYA 17:05, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

The larger issues are still being ignored here. First off, all those spammers do deserve to be banned (with the exception of raleigh but he's clearly an idiot for thinking what he was doing was proper) since they were clearly spamming just to harass me, and were using an autotyper to do so (which you can't tell because RS hasn't added timestamps yet). Secondly, WHY out of ALL THE WIKIANS on facebook, did this little brother just HAPPEN to target ME, who his sister has consistently had issues with? Degen has his full name on facebook, Bonzi has his full name on facebook, Lee (Max Bulldog) has his full name on facebook, on the wiki even, why did this kid just HAPPEN to choose me to target? Christine 15:42, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I don't see why so many people think a warning would have done any good. If someone creates multiple accounts with the sole purpose of harassing someone/disrupting a clan chat then do you honestly think a warning would do any good? There is a point where warnings are no longer necessary. You don't need to warn before every single kick. Andrew talk 17:15, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Btw, I also have my full name on fb >_> Andrew talk 17:16, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
Its Andrew Scruffyslam, isn't it?! kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 18:14, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
How was that in any way constructive? And yes, Andrew, but I was including only those who sysop Ruud is friends with on facebook (and Max is a separate case), and theoretically the only people that his brother could have "accidentally seen." I'm not saying that it was Karl who did it anymore, but do I think she said something to her brother to cause him to target me, and only me? Hell yes. Christine 18:43, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Pending, Leaning toward Support - Of Bonzii's new list anyways. Here's the thing, I'm willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt though things look suspect. Ruud, I..wonder if your younger brother, if it's him, knows what he's doing. Or how serious it is. --Eternalseed 17:53, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Support the ban per Bonzi ‎20px‎AtlandyBeer.png 19:31, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Support I must add this snippet of conversation, in case it hasn't been included here. It's from private messages between Ruud and me, not in the cc, but I think it is relevant.

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What Ruud demonstrates is clearly unacceptable behaviour, coupled with a complete lack of remorse or consideration for rules, whether Jagex's or ours. Surely anyone who was interested in developing a good relationship with other cc users wouldn't have dedicated themselves so tenaciously to picking individuals to harass. Unfortunately, I cannot see this person ever being welcome in the cc, as a consequence of their own actions. Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 23:08, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

And do you think think this is the Real Ruudvan? No it's not, it's my other Brother "Appy Sam"  Abyssal whip.png  chronicsin Talk 02:03, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
The in-game name is displayed quite clearly here - if there is a dispute about the identity of who said this then of course we cannot judge based on wiki names, only in-game account or display names. Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 20:51, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I don't know if there is much for me to say. It does seem like a very cryptic mystery. A mob can be ruled out because, each of those accounts in the screenshots at the top was saying EXACTLY the same thing with an Auto-typer with EXACTLY the same mistakes. So unless those guys were sharing with each other auto-typing mods with the same words entered, it seems that the only people that can be proven involved is these trio of family members. It may also mean account hacking is involved, as I wouldn't expect someone to train 4+ accounts to that level and then abuse with them... Chicken7 >talk 09:34, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Question - This may be a stupid question, but seriously, why is your name "OhhChristine" anyway if you don't want them to say that? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 19:21, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

I hope you're not blaming her for having a suggestive name. That could mean a lot of things. It doesnt have to be sexual. Dragon platebody.pngCeno FlameTalk Contribs # SignDragon chainbody.png 20:58, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
Not at all. It's just that personally, I would have changed my name. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 21:13, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
You seriously think "Ohh, Christine" (which really does not have to be sexual at all) is equivalent to "ohhh it's all over my pants" and "ah ah ah baby ohh christine"? Have you no perspective? Christine 23:50, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - How long are these users to be blocked? I don't think it should be very long, per Evil Yanks, as this is only one thing that happened. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 20:59, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Permanently - Per an hour and a half of continous spamming, trolling and use of autotypers. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 22:08, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
I think a week would do. - Chances are they won't come back again, and everyone deserves a chance to be a good Wikian. A lot of good users now were kinda trolls when they just started. And D4k, it was more like 15 minutes... Anyways, it was just one incident and I'm guessing they're new to the Wiki... giving permanent block seems like giving a life sentence to a criminal for robbing a store... Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 23:27, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
If a criminal robbed a store then nobody would be saying "Oh he's new in town so it's OK that he robbed us blind". ^_^ Andrew talk 23:43, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
Arin, people were sure as shit harassing me about my name for an hour and a half. Were there spammers for that long? No. But were Max, C00l Dud, Dildabeast, and one or two others saying the EXACT same things for over an hour prior? Yes. The only difference, literally, is that they were not using an autotyper. But were the comments just as consistent? Absolutely. And if someone was to go through so much effort to target me, why in the world do you think they would just give up after a week-long ban? Christine 23:50, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
Well sure, it's not okay, but newer users often make mistakes and I don't believe they should be banned for an infinite amount of time for their first mistakes. This hasn't happened in the past, so no need to be so harsh on the ban. I know you might feel something personal against you Christine, but I'm trying thinking for the Wiki and the mindset of the spammers. And so they were using an autotyper, but harassing you about your name just like others were; so they broke one of Jagex rules. Do we not often have newer users come in and break Jagexs rules? Do we ban them forever? If that was the case our CC would be deserted. Just give accounts that have never been in the Wiki CC before a chance... Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 01:07, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - (edit conflict with Jedi) - I think it needs a little bit of clarification on exactly what the story is here. This is what I understand of what happened. If any of this is incorrect, please correct me.

  1. Ruud, the user you know on the wiki, changes his name.
  2. Georgia, aka Zinciferous and Oh My Glove, has some sort of incident with Christine (I am not sure about the specifics of this).
  3. Ruud's little brother changes his ingame name to Ruud's old name.
  4. Georgia is allowed back into the cc.
  5. Ruudvan10000 ingame claims to be Georgia.
  6. Georgia is banned from the internet.
  7. During this time, Ruudvan10000 ingame (the little brother?) reveals Christine's full name in the cc (I am not certain of the context, or if this was purely accident or intentionally revealing personal information out of malice).
  8. During this time, Ruudvan10000 ingame makes sexual comments to Christine, along with many others in the cc.
  9. Several other high-level accounts use autotypers to spam sexual comments for the following hour and a half.

I think that it is too difficult to make a judgement on this while the details are all so muddled. It is like trying to find a bank robber without being told which bank was robbed, or when. Perhaps after I have a better understanding of the situation, I can give my opinion. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 01:17, December 2, 2009 (UTC) 

I believe that is all right, not sure (wasn't following the case with Ruud, Georgia, and Christine beforehand) , except for the fact it wasn't an hour and a half that the spammers came in... was more like 15 minutes. I would still like my friend Raleighripper unbanned (who was NOT using an autotyper) and was not part of the random spammer group. As for the other spammers I support a week or month ban from the CC. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 01:32, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Anyone making offensive or threatening comments should NOT have cc priveleges.--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 01:35, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Full names and identifications from a runescape account is tresspassing on personal lives of real people.

Youdead00 01:40, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - How do we know if they are ruudvans sisters? Is he lying? We can't be sure.

Youdead00 01:59, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Comment

"Previous Comment" - Comment -This leads me to believe there is some ... Christine-hate-cult group or something ..

A vendetta or "Christine-hate-cult" is not acceptable on the wiki.

Youdead00 02:03, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

A hate-cult? I wouldn't say that. I'm guessing a bunch of people thought it was funny at the time, save Christine and prehaps a couple others, (even though now, thinking back, I'm all sure we don't believe it was now), and then the spammers came in and it definitely wasn't funny then. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 02:25, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

If Jedis' friend will apologize to the wiki and to Christine I think two weeks will be enough for him, for the others I think six months is fair. And I really doubt any of them even care anyhow, has anyone heard from any of them? Have we ever seen them before? Yea ok then.--Degenret01 05:00, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

He says sure, as he was enjoying the Wiki CC the day before without any problems, and would like to be able to get back because he liked our CC.... I have been talking with him throughout this and he has added Christine on RS, ready to sincerely apologize. He also has been using the Wiki Vent server and can undo his sins there. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 05:39, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

'Comment - Has not Karl West already been banned? I request closure of this forum. Youdead00 17:36, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Karl was banned, but was unbanned per here. Also, I believe it was shown that Karl is not direct culprit (if at all), and the request above shows this.
On a different note: where has the rest of the discussion gone? Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 17:48, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
http://runescape.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Request_to_remove_user_from_CC&diff=1970808&oldid=1970560 - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 18:45, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
A careless admin removed it. Christine 18:47, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
Forum:Request_to_remove_user_from_CC/Archive Forgot to add the link as my comp took 2 minutes to save the page. Link is now at top of this page. Sorry. I put it on it's own page--Degenret01 01:53, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Someone answer the main question here, ffs. WHY out of ALL THE WIKIANS on facebook, did this little brother just HAPPEN to target ME, who his sister has consistently had issues with? Degen has his full name on facebook, Bonzi has his full name on facebook, Lee (Max Bulldog) has his full name on facebook, on the wiki even, why did this kid just HAPPEN to choose me to target? Karl clearly had something to do with this even though she did not DIRECTLY reveal my name in the cc. Christine 18:47, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Request for closure - I want this forum closed. I've seen enough of evidence of offense!!!! Youdead00 18:49, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Denied - This discussion is still undergoing. 18:58, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Bonziiznob does NOT have his full name listed anywhere on the wiki. Youdead00 19:05, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

And that is relevant how? Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 19:10, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Retraction - Clv309 stated Bonzii had his full name on Facebook. Youdead00 19:14, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

You're wrong anyways, check the history of his userpage. I won't paste the diffs here, but he has indeed posted his name on the wiki. The difference being that he CHOSE to reveal his name, whereas I have not. Christine 22:32, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

The spammers and Karl could be completely different things and unrelated. Could be a wrong-place-wrong time coincidence. After carefully and slowly re-reading the entire discussion I see no obvious link between the two. I think someone just took the 'ohhchristine' thing to the extreme, and Karl just happened to say something wrong and be in the CC at the time. Who did this is just anyone's guess. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 22:55, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Comment As to why some of us have ignored what is Christine's biggest question of "...why was she the target..."? There is just no way to know. None. It can not be known by us. None of us were in the kids mind when he made that decision, and it happened off-site. He won't be allowed to make an account here for at least a year if ever, and he received an in-game mute of one year. As far as I'm concerned, that is enough. We will never be able to prove if anyone else was involved. We do not have the tools for that. There is absolutely no way anything else can come of further discussion on this topic imo. I am sorry if that pisses you off Christine but that is the reality I see.--Degenret01 01:58, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Since you can't seem to read between the lines, Degen, I was not actually questioning why I was targeted. I was SAYING that Karl clearly had something to do with this. From before: I'm not saying that it was Karl who did it anymore, but do I think she said something to her brother to cause him to target me, and only me? Hell yes. Christine 02:50, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - This is getting funnier and funnier. Sexual innuendo, guys, seriously? That's classic. --Fruit.Smoothie 02:00, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

How was that helpful? Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 02:26, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Probably wasn't. (Forgot to log in >.>) Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 05:00, December 3, 2009 (UTC) 04:57, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - To say 2 things, I don't think there is a Christine hate-cult. All those spammers were using exactly the same words as each other, inferring that they may be the same person using the same auto-typer with the same sentences entered. 2ND, a possibility to why Christine was targeted is this: Ruud's little brother may have seen Christine on his facebook, and then has logged into the game and cc and seen Christine logged in, and found her name funny (in his mind), so decided to tease her about it immaturely. Chicken7 >talk 06:25, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I am fed up of being targeted especially by a certain person. I have done nothing wrong and can we please stop thinking that I had anything to do with this. I have no control over what my brothers do on the internet. I know for a fact that when my brother was on the computer at the time of the name saying, I was currently in my room, being ill.  Abyssal whip.png  chronicsin Talk 15:02, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

I would like to propose that my friend 'Raleighriper' be unbanned from the CC. He was not one of the spammers using auto-typers, he apologized to Christine he told me, it was his 2nd day in the CC, I suggested this CC to him to hang out in, and he doesn't deserve to be blocked. Yes, I can understand if he was kicked, but blocked... eh. If he was any other user new to the CC and said a few things wrong, he would be warned and possibility kicked, but not banned. He now knows he said a couple bad things and won't do them again. He just wishes to enjoy our wonderful Clan Chat. Thanks. - Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 00:34, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

I'm fine with that. Andrew talk 01:22, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
I'm not. I suggested two days ago he make an account and apologize to the wiki but he has Jedi apologizing for him instead. But what the hell, I don't use our clan chat anymore anyways.--Degenret01 02:27, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
I'll see if he's interested in making an account, I didn't see where you said he should make an account, my bad I missed that. - Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 02:32, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Hey guys this jedi's freind Raleighriper. I see i got into some serious business with a couple things i said. Well anyways im sorry christine for saying what i said :( I won't do it again i'm sorry wikia. i was in the clan Chat the day before and i was having fun so i want to come back. arin showed me the rules so i won't offend then again. Please unlock me so i can go into the clan chat again - r s wikia- thanks!! Raleighriper 05:12, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Private public apolgy. I think thats fine. He was only banned because the topic got so much publicity. Chicken7 >talk 09:55, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

This thread is depressing, you are ALL acting like children *sigh* --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 10:44, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps because many of us ARE children. Can't 'pect too much from the young uns right? Anyways, can Raleighriper be unbanned from the CC now? Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 01:40, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

C_Teng has just now been informed to please remove raleigh from the clan ignore list. I thought some one would have asked him already once the apology went up, sorry.--Degenret01 09:56, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Request for closure - I feel that there is no more reason for this discussion to carry on any longer. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 12:16, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Denied - discussion is still underway, and we have not decided on a course of action yet. Butterman62 (talk) 16:35, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - LOL I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS HELLA FRICKUN FUNNY THE WAY BUTTERMAN SAID THAT LMFAO! sorry if the following pic has nothing to do with this topic but...--Fruit.Smoothie 00:59, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

Application_denied.jpg (It was deleted so I put it on my photobucket) Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 01:04, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

  1. 1 Twigy fan, starting today. --Fruit.Smoothie 01:14, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

Comment To those that wish to keep this open, please explain what you are looking for here. It is open but nothing is happening. What are you trying to accomplish? And to Fruit, if you can not be constructive then please refrain from adding frivolous comments here, this is not the joke section of the wiki for you to mock our processes.--Degenret01 08:53, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Ok, I will type my thoughts on this forum of what happened and other topics.

  • 1, I am also a Twigy fan (which is only for Fruit to stop joking)
  • 2, the Chrisine hate-cult was probably just teasing or acting ridicuosly dumb.
  • 3, I remember myself the first time I was on the clan chat, and I admit that I was acting ridiculosly dumb as I wanted to see how the wiki cc was like. Colo44 should remember that moment.
  • 4, A former comment said "I was ill when my brother was posting those comments". To confirm my hypothesis, What hemisphere do you live in? What were you sick with? And an estimate of your age. If you answer these, it will answer my thoughts as well.
  • 5, WERE YOU OR WERE YOU NOT SHARING ACCOUNTS? You should know it is not allowed to share accounts, as the rules state.
  • 6: Question:WERE YOU OR WERE YOU NOT LYING?

Youdead00 21:49, December 7, 2009 (UTC)


Question - How many (archived or not) forums have had requests to ban or un-ban Karl West from the CC? I know there is at least 3.--Youdead00 22:02, December 7, 2009 (UTC)


Comment - From what I take of this whole mess, there's no real way to unravel it on the wiki front. This will have to be done via in-game names. Banning the in-game will put the dumb kid out of the cc, which is no problem whatsoever. HOWEVER, on the wiki matter, that'll have to be Ruud's job. It's his family, and since he's an admin, I trust he can handle this. If not, his parents always can. What "Ruud the accused" said was completely irrational and completely unneeded. I read the screenshots and laughed at the sheer stupidity that befell my screen. This type of stuff is not what we, as a community, need, and calls for a ban, not a warning, in my opinion. I Support the ban on both the cc and the wiki. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 01:00, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Giving out my last name is not funny. Christine 15:00, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I agree. The only way we can stop a problem is to seal the can altogether and just dispose of the rotten contents. Youdead00 04:19, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Ruudvan10000 has given a apologize to the wiki
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Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 04:28, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

I'm quite sure he wasn't serious there. "I miss them so much", "i dident no i just wanted to be nice". Be nice by giving away someone's personal details? Come on man! Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 07:17, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
I'll i was conatacted by Appy sam/Ruudvan10000 so I helped is there a rule against helping? Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 07:20, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
What? I don't understand you. Where did I say that? I just think that that Ruud is not serious and just wants to get back in for some more spamming. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 07:21, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
I was just trying to help Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 07:23, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
Yes you were and we all appreciate help. I was just talking about Ruud's comments. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 07:25, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
"Come on man!" was directed towards Ruud the accused, not you Twigy. ^_^ Chicken7 >talk 09:58, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
Did you mean that? Oooh! Yes, of course that was directed to Ruud. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 17:53, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
In what frigging universe is giving out my full name "nice"? It's not exactly like my last name is "Smith" here, guys. -_- This kid better NEVER be unbanned from the cc. Although I'm sure Karl had something to do with this since otherwise how else would he know my name, I'm willing to end this discussion as long as the two of us have no further issues. Her little brother must remain banned though. His behaviour was completely unacceptable. Christine 15:00, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
If he only said your full name and wasn't part of the random spammers then why don't we just end the drama right now and warn him, he will know later not to do it. People have said my full name in the CC and I don't take it as something personal against me. It's not like your full name isn't already all over the internet... forgive and forget; will solve many problems. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 15:45, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
It is NOT anyone's place to give out anyone else's personal information, especially when he is NOT someone I've given access to it, nor is his sister. Christine 18:08, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
You're right, but you seem like you want vengeance. Your name is already 'out' so-to-say, it's past, so what will banning him do that warning him will not? Just make you feel happy? I know this isn't really directly the Wiki, I recall him saying in one of the above screenies he was just trying to be nice, so assume good faith? Someone was trying to be nice and we are all turning around and biting back. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 23:24, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
See above: "In what frigging universe is giving out my full name "nice"?" Giving out personal details AGAINST in-game rules is NOT "nice." Nor is targeting anyone! He is to remain banned, that is it. Christine 01:37, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
Why is it such a big deal that he broke an ingame rule? That happens everyday in the CC, and we often just remind the person of the rules. You yourself have probably broken ingame Jagex rule countless times. So; since when is calling someone by their full name something to be punished for? He shouldn't do it or have done it but he shouldn't get banned from the CC for it. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 01:56, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
As if being a Total Ass was not enough, giving out personal details - especially someone else's - is strictly forbidden by the rules and is a bannable offence. Those who repeadedly break RS and RSW rules are unwelcome in our CC under any conditions. Some flimsy behind-the-veils apology made in PM changes nothing. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 02:03, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
I like how you capitalized 'Total Ass'. Name calling is really mature... Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 04:21, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
FFS, Arin. This isn't like filter evasion where someone spouts off "penis" a few times. This is risking the safety of another player. It's serious. Christine 02:13, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
Please don't call me by my name, it's risking my safety. Jedi if you will. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 07:26, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
You know damn well what I mean. There are a million Arins in the world but not nearly as many with YOUR last name, if any. Christine 13:47, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

(unindent)The line: The point at which you can tell the police what's happening and they'd take it seriously. It's been crossed... Hopwood 13:52, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Eh, saying someone's full name isn't a crime in real life you know. It's against the RS rules and stuff, but it's not illegal in real life. So the police wouldn't care. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 14:48, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
Maybe yours wouldn't. Find a competent police service and they might care about putting people's lives in danger. Hopwood 14:51, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
Oh come on, no-one put Christine's or Jedi's life at risk! Saying someone's full name is stupid and pointless, but it won't endanger them! The police would just say "this is none of our business". Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 14:53, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
You're completely wrong, of course it is dangerous. It's called stalking. Duh, much? see Degen's link to cyberbullying above (or perhaps in the archive, not sure). Christine 15:00, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
I am not completely wrong. Yes, it is dangerous, but not that dangers that the police would get involved. Anyway, it isn't that hard finding your personal information on the internet. I tried, and I can get your age, photograph and where you live within 10 seconds. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 15:06, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
Everyone on the wiki knows my age, where I live, and what I look like. I don't hide that information. But the difference is that is information I CHOSE to put out there, and additionally it is ME doing it, not some jerk in the cc. Christine 15:15, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
Did you even read what I said before? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 15:28, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
I know for sure you've said nothing relevant, just made up an argument aboout something utterly irrelevant to the topic. As the title might suggest, it is about banning people who do not belong in our CC for their actions. Police has absolutely nothing to do with it. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 15:41, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
You might like to know that I didn't come up with that. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 17:00, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
Then why don't you get off this pointless tangent so a consensus can be finally achieved? Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 17:23, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Request for closure - since the topic is no longer about what it was originally intended.

  1. Requesting that no ban be put on Karl West (for whatever her current in-game name is now).
  2. Requesting that her brother, currently using "Ruudvan10000" remain permanently banned from the clan chat for revealing the personal details of others and harassment.
  3. Requesting the permanent ban of N0p0tsneeded, Spikethechao, Detinytime, and Poooop466 for harassment and using an autotyper.
  4. Requesting the removal of the ban on raleighriper if it has not yet been removed. Christine 15:00, December 9, 2009 (UTC)


Closed - This thread has gone off topic and is clouding the previous consensus. The proposed changes will be/remain implemented.--

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