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This thread was archived on 11 December 2009 by Calebchiam.

(I am using the Wii to type this, so don't expect any links!)

Not long after I talk to Bonziiznob about the three disruptive users who got me desysopped (Dibervill, Vhoscythe, and Wejer), I saw a new message on my talkpage. It was from Wikia, so I dismissed it and kept looking around the wiki. Then I happened to notice that the "new message" bar was still on pages I visited. However, nothing else was posted...or so I thought. So I checked the history of my talkpage, and I was both shocked and disgusted at what Sir Revan had kindly removed for me.

It was a link to a demotivational poster that claimed that autism was a disease for assholes.

Some quick thinking has lead me to concur that the vandal who posted THAT and Vhoscythe are the same user. Think about it:

  • The vandal targeted ME, as did Vho.
  • Calling my autism a "disease" was one of the first things Vho flamed me with. This user has done the same.
  • Finally, Vho's signature was something about pugs (the dog type, I'm assuming.) Guess what the vandal's username has in it. PUGS.

I refuse to believe that this is a freak coincidence. This is not only sockpuppeting, but also a cruel violation of the UTP. I want anyone with CheckUser to help me in ridding the wiki of this absolute scumbag.

Discuss. 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 18:43, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

While I agree that what was posted was disgustingly crude and completely uncalled for, a checkuser reveals no such sockpuppetry. It could be somebody editing from a different location, but that would only be an assumption. Sorry for the upsetting news, I'm sure you were looking for something else. =( Karlis (talk) (contribs) 19:16, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
For clarification, in cased my previous comment made no sense, as it didn't when I re-read it: I ran a checkuser and they are not, in fact, the same. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 22:11, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
What you just said about autism being a disease for assholes is extremely offensive and just disgusting. However, are you 100% sure it's that user? I mean, your arguments are very persuasive, but they aren't based on facts - just assumptions.
It's just a shame that someone would post that to you, or anyone for that matter. I cannot understand it. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 19:49, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

I'd just like to put out there that the whole "new message bar was up but no new messages were posted" thing had nothing to do with this vandal. The same thing happened to me, so it was probably just a glitch. Anyways, the arguments are indeed persuasive, but the evidence is just circumstantial. What if, for instance, this vandal was a friend of Vhoscythe who copied him without even talking to Vhoscythe about it? Or maybe just a random vandal who saw what Vhoscythe did and decided to copy. There are too few certainties to warrant a permblock. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 20:06, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Even thinking about posting that link is cruel; I'd feel horrible if that happened to me. But, as mentioned above, there is no solid evidence that the offender was Vhoscythe. I personally think that he should be blocked (not sure about permanent though), since it's pretty clear that he's not here to help in any way.  Tien  22:32, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

The poster of the offensive link made one single edit to the wiki, that link. User received a block.--74.76.48.104 22:36, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
-facepalm- Oh yes... duh! Obviously he was blocked because he was a vandal. I guess I wasn't thinking straight... for some reason I assumed that the vandal wasn't blocked at all.  Tien  22:48, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - If the user who insulted you and this vandal are one in the same (seems likely, but could be a different person), then Vhoscythe is really stupid for leaving that much information to be traced back to them, regardless of the checkuser results. And that demotivational poster isn't even clever, it's just insulting. 20px‎ Kudos 2 U Talk! Edit count! Contribs! 23:24, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - For those who do not wish to hear opinions from people who feel strongly enough about this subject to use expletives, it is suggested that you do not read the following comment - I cannot believe that anyone would do something as horrible as that. In my opinion, posting anything that disgusting is what is for assholes. Anybody who writes something like that should receive a permanent block. Period. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 00:08, December 5, 2009 (UTC) 

Comment - Really? Disgusting? While it is insulting, I think it's one of the more tame things you'll find on the internet. I agree that it should result in a block (if not permanent then for a year), but I wouldn't say it's absolutely horrible, disgusting, revolting, etc. I'm in no way trying to say it's not a bad thing or that this isn't important. I have diabetes. If someone posted a message/link to something like that but relating to my condition, I would expect a block for whoever was responsible, but I wouldn't feel like it's anything out of the norm for the internet. 20px‎ Kudos 2 U Talk! Edit count! Contribs! 01:25, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
I don't think Diabetes is a good example. Diabetes is a disease - Autism isn't even near. Personally, I think disgusting is the right word. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 12:06, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I'm sorry that this happened to you, Stinko. It was extremely rude and inappropriate and whoever that was should be ashamed of themselves. However, I will not support blocking someone on purely circumstantial evidence. I'm sorry, but there is still reasonable doubt. Andrew talk 01:26, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - NVM. --Fruit.Smoothie 01:27, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I wouldn't call someone saying autism is a disease a troll... many people don't know this. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 04:33, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

have you actualy looked at the poster? Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 11:55, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I saw the picture. All I'm saying is that just because someone calls autism is a disease disease, doesn't mean they're a troll, I've seen examples of where people get all angry because someone's lack of knowledge for the term. But whoever linked to that poster is obviously a troll, trying to upset Stinko. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 18:19, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
So your saying that the poster is offensive, but that claiming that autism is a disease when you don't know any better is? OK, that's understandable. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 01:54, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Yes, this is a horrible thing, but unless there is some way to prove it, then I'm not supporting a block. If CheckUser can be run, someone should get on it. Otherwise, I'll treat Vho innocent until proven guilty, and by guilty, I mean that he himself put up the demotivational. Emotion and law never work well together. I can understand how it hurts, Stinko, but we have to give him a fair look at, hunches are not always right. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 01:13, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Bleh...(continued discussion)

Sorry guys, but I'm ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that even with CheckUser data, Vho and PugsRCool are one and the same.

By some freak coincidence, Vho came into the CC today. He played innocent, of course, but I'm sure he knows what happened. He COULD be using a proxy, as I told Karlis, but then again, I will admit that I may be wrong. However, as I stated, I'm SURE I'm not wrong here, so please...if he slips up AT ALL if you talk to him, PLEASE post screenshots! 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 02:06, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

I don't think they are the same person. PugsRCool has a myspace account that hasn't been recently edited and say's he's 40. He also has developed accounts on other sites. Vho also has developed his avatar on a few websites. I don't see one person taking the time to develop two avatars. 02:48, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
In all honesty, this is a tad paranoid. Proof comes from facts, and on the internet, there are proxys. However, I'd like to remind the discussion of this little thing and that what's done is done. He has no recent blood on his hands, and he's had his sentence. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 20:17, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
Someone tell me this, then: if PugsRCool is some 40-year-old guy, then HOW THE HELL did he get the idea to attack ME? How WOULD he know me BEFORE having registered so he could troll me? If he's not Vho, why is his choice of username so similar? (PugsRCool VS Lord Puggle) How did he know that I've got a vendetta against Vho BEFORE he attacked me? And why was his weapon choice an attack on autism, much like Vho's (who ALSO used the word disease)? There's so many coincidences that I REFUSE to believe that it just happened randomly. This HAS to be Vho!

As you can no doubt tell, I am clearly upset. I will not let Vho get away with degrading me once again. And if I AM wrong, know that I am still pissed that PugsRCool got such a short block compared to the magnitude of what he did. 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 20:56, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe they just know each other? Or he's trying to frame Vho OMG! Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 22:26, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
You're a past sysop, Stinko. I'd expect you to not jump to conclusions like this. You can't know, it's the Internet, anybody can see anything. It could be Vho, it could not be, but accusations with no concrete proof is on the trim of flaming. Calm down and act like a logical being. If the facts say it's not, it's not. There are plenty of counters to it, but at this point in time, there's no conclusive proof. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 22:34, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

You're letting him (whoever he is) win by getting this upset about it. People are going to be assholes and make fun of you. Everyone gets made fun of. If you can't get over a childish insult without having some form of revenge to make you feel better, then you're just as bad as the people who made fun of you. Just let it go and don't dwell on this. If Vho really is behind this, then he'll do it again somehow and we'll get him then. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 00:26, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Closed - At the moment, this is going nowhere. The Checkuser doesn't implicate Vho, and there is no actual evidence that PugsRCool and Vho are the same person, only coincidences, and that isn't conclusive evidence for the claim. C.ChiamTalk 02:53, December 11, 2009 (UTC)