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This thread was archived on 19 October 2010 by Liquidhelium.

As you might know, the name Counter Vandalism Unit was taken from Wikipedia. It stinks of unoriginality, and whether or not its name merits a hyphen has been the matter of debate. Today, the CVU was moved to Counter-Vandalism Unit per RS:STYLE, something I don't quite understand. However, it's spurred me to create this thread to rename the CVU something new and RuneScape related.

Azaz has come up with the name "Adamant Pillory" in the last thread, and I think it's a fitting name. So, I hereby propose that the CVU be renamed RuneScape:Adamant Pillory or RS:AP for short.

I do see a few potential issues with that. Perhaps the most glaring issue is that by naming it a pillory, we are making the assumption that anyone reported is guilty of something, thereby taking away the presumption of innocence. However, I don't think this is a serious issue, given the fact that the CVU is only for reporting vandals that need to be blocked, so that at the end of the day, anyone who ends up in the CVU has committed some kind of vandalism. The other issue is that people may go looking to register for Advanced Placement exams, but if that happens we'll just take their $87 and run. Lol --LiquidTalk 22:12, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Support - As nominator. --LiquidTalk 22:12, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I would have preferred just "The Pillory", but I have no complaints with that name. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 22:16, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Support - So long as I get the $87. Actually at my school they were $86 lol. HaloTalk 22:20, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Because we are the Associated Press. Ryan PM 22:29, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Changed to Oppose per opposition to the proposed change. Ryan PM 21:10, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Strong oppose - I like it the way it is as it's name gives a very good idea of it's purpose at a single look, renaming it will can some confusion of it's purpose as when you hear "Adamant Pillory" do you think "vandal fighting force" or do you think of the rs metal on top of tall scaffolding? I'm sure you're leaning toward the latter. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 22:30, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Due to opposition of a rightfully placed hyphen between "Counter" and "Vandalism," I'd personally prefer it be renamed "Adamant Pillory," and, regardless of what may or may not come to mind first, I think it's a fine name. Leftiness 22:33, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Support - That hyphen should have remained... Suppa chuppa Talk 23:01, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Sorry, I just think that's stupid. It's fine as it is and would probably confuse people. If you see "Counter-Vandalism unit", you know it's a place for stopping vandals. You see Adamant Pillory you think, "what the hell is this?" ʞooɔ 23:04, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

I take issue with several things here. First of all, Adamant Pillory isn't a misleading name. People are not going to be more likely to go "WTF is this" with AP than CVU. If you look at the name "Counter Vandalism Unit", what do you think of? Vandalism can be construed to mean things like graffiti. Are they going to come to the CVU looking for paint removal services?
Furthermore, that point is fairly moot. The link to the CVU in the sidebar says "Report vandalism". If people click that, it doesn't matter what the name of the page that they're led to is named. They'll know what it is for. Also, the notice that appears at the top of a page has a link to "RS:CVU". Are users going to be likely to know what it's for? If this goes through, it'll say "RS:AP" instead. Is it that confusing? How many people instantaneously know what CVU means but don't know what AP means? There is no link commonly used by IP's that says "RuneScape:Counter Vandalism Unit". Seriously... --LiquidTalk 23:14, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
Who goes to http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/RuneScape_Wiki to look for paint removal services? --Iiii I I I 23:29, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
Someone who's house is being vandalised but can't get rid of the vandals because they are too busy playing RS, so they call the RS Wiki's CVU. It'll be a world first! 222 talk 23:52, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - I think it needs to be changed to a rs name, like yew grove is, but i don't like the proposed name. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 23:48, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Support Neutral - But I have no idea what to call it, and I hate Adamant Pillory. 222 talk 23:52, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

I know! How about Varrock Guards. 222 talk 23:53, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
Then we'll be on trial in the city of Varrock for impersonating their guards... svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 01:02, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Adamant Pillory, Varrock Guards, whatever. A good RuneScape-related name, like the one we gave to this page, would be perfect.  Tien  01:12, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - What the hell is this? Adamant Pillory? Really? Why are we proposing so many pointless changes lately? It's been the CVU since what, 06? Have their been any problems? No.... Andrew talk 01:20, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Aside from the fact that I am trying not to revert the page back to Counter Vandalism Unit, no problems. I wish you could bold spaces. 222 talk 04:20, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Adamant Pillory? Who the heck cares what it's called. Vandals aren't even the one looking at the CVU page. And if do look at the page, it's even better since they know they're going to be dealt with. Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 02:52, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - "Adamant Pillory" is kind of obfuscatory. Why not choose a functional name, like "Filter Requests?" If that's too boring, maybe someone could have an epiphany about the sieve or the [[Fractionalizing still|still]] . --Saftzie (talk) 04:56, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - "Counter Vandalism Unit" just rolls off the tounge better than "Adamant Pillory". The suggested name reminds me of a type of pill, or a prison made of adamant metal, and this sure ain't the jolly old Land of Oz. Besides, the page has quite a bit of history to it, from it's infamous creator to the small amount of time it takes for a sysop to warn/ban and reset the page. I mean, I'm up for something like "The Wiki Guardtower", but "Adamant Pillory" just doesn't sit well with me. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 05:11, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Why? - What is wrong with the way it is now? ajr 05:16, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Don't see why it needs to be changed, but even so I feel that were it to be changed a better name is needed, preferably mentioning vandalism or clearly laying out its purpose in the same way counter vandalism unit does. Henneyj 05:48, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - On one hand, I like the idea of having "RuneScapey" names for things, as is the case with the Yew Grove. On the other hand, what's the point of adding a new layer of complexity to a fully functioning system? Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 12:18, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - While it is considered as a minimal matter, "adamant" this word does not give an idea on CV, but on a set of adamantite made items. "Pillory" the word is okay, but yea no gaah when you claim it's a Pillory you need to clarify that's not for the guard. I humbly suggest "Vandal Pillory" or whatsoever. Rewlf2 12:33, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Strong oppose - Don't fix what's not broken. bad_fetustalk 12:34, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Strong oppose - What? Why? The Counter-Vandalism Unit is exactly that - a place to counter vandalism. The CVU does not need a RuneScape-themed name. Pillories are used as a means of humiliation and punishment. That is not how we should be treating our vandals. We should always make the impression that we want vandals to come back as positive contributors. RuneScape Wiki or not, we do not live in medieval times where people gathered in the town square to watch shackled criminals get whipped. Counter-Vandalism Unit is fine. I see no point in giving this page a theme. Themes are fun. Vandalism and blocks are not. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 21:08, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I think you guys are missing the point. The goal is to add some creativeness here. It also differentiates us from Wikipedia. It adds character and feeling to the wiki, which makes it more fun to be here. I don't see how it will bother anyone, considering vandals don't need to look at it. Just a bit of changing links, and we're all good. HaloTalk 21:14, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'm still neutral here, but I don't see how changing the name of the CVU will make the wiki a more fun place to look up RuneScape information. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 00:51, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
Changing the names of things is fun? What? bad_fetustalk 13:20, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
You can be creative without unnecessarily renaming everything, especially to something like Adamant Pillory.....seriously, we are already quite different from Wikipedia. A great example is RS:UCS..Wikipedia still uses Ignore All Rules. Andrew talk 20:08, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Counter-Vandalism Unit puts across what it is, which should really be the sole purpose of a name. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 06:40, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per above.  Ranged-icon.png Zap0i TalkRune scimitar.png  13:37, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

Don't fix something that is not broken - So oppose Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 00:29, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

That's not the point. The community, collectively, needs to lay off the "If it ain't broke" doctrine. While it's true on some occasions, it does not apply to improvements in any way. If somebody thinks they can find a better system to replace an already functioning system, there is no reason to turn that person down because the current system is functional. Regardless, I'm not saying that the renaming is an improvement, but that needed to be said at some point none the less. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 13:04, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
The thing is, if something can be improved, it is broken in that sense. bad_fetustalk 16:14, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Closed/Withdrawn - The CVU will stay where it is for now. --LiquidTalk 23:15, October 19, 2010 (UTC)