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This thread was archived on 18 December 2012 by Liquidhelium.

Just a quick thing. {{Tips3}} is transcluded on the Main Page at the bottom right. It's a carousel of bad trivia and subpar grammar that hasn't been significantly changed for half a year. The stuff on there isn't interesting, it's not engaging, it's not useful to players and it doesn't reflect very well on our awesome array of helpful articles. It's just random tacky fluff.

I would like to remove the module from the main page, for the reasons above but also because even on a good day it protrudes below the stuff on the left side of the main page. Barring that, replace it with useful tips and tricks for the game that are in great supply and updated regularly. Let people submit their own if they want.

I don't care which one we choose, although I kind of doubt the second is particularly feasible given our penchant to ignore stuff after a while. I just want the current thing gone. ʞooɔ 01:22, November 15, 2012 (UTC)


Kill - It's stupid, none of it is actually interesting. MolMan 01:25, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

What about the MediaWiki pages Tips and Tips2... They seem even... stupider. MolMan 01:48, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Keep/Revamp - I find them interesting... Hair 02:32, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Revamp - I think it could be replaced with actual tips and tricks rather than random useless trivia. Umm, can't think of any tips at the moment though. If that doesn't work then keel with fiya. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 02:57, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind, kill. No one's going to bother with it. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 20:24, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Revamp - Maybe make it into a series of money-making or training tips.

 a proofreader ▸ 

03:20, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

... And-or account security tips. Except JAG. I have my reasons.  a proofreader ▸  03:22, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
What about an anti? Like "Tip of the day: Don't use JAG." MolMan 03:23, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps, but I doubt we want to actively oppose JAG in tips, as for some people it indeed raises their account's security. Unless someone takes over their email account, and then they're toast. Maybe a few things about common scams and a reminder about phishing!
Though that raises a very pertinent question: How many people actually read to the end of the Main Page, or at least the bottom of it? I guess some users would be interested in the RuneScape News and patch notes, but does the Did You Know appear beside those two things by default?  a proofreader ▸  03:28, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
Sounds like you're using monobook; For us Oases, the "Did you know?" appears at the very bottom, and even has to extend the page's height just to fit, leaving a large void to the left. Just something to consider involving the default skin. MolMan 03:32, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
Okay... They both do that, but the Oasis void is admit-ably large. Also consider that the page is thinner on Oasis, so... I don't know what that means, to be honest. MolMan 03:33, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
I use JAG. Works fine for me. =o User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 08:35, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
Jagex sypathiser! GO AWAY‼ MolMan 20:05, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Remove it - It's awful and those things are like "The More You Know" or "For Your Information" blocks are rather annoying in my opinion. I think I recall a thread a few years ago about trivial information needing to be removed, this is one of those horrid leftovers. Ryan PM 03:43, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Revamp it - I also like this feature, maybe it's just us young people :o? The bits of trivia are interesting, but the problem is that they are at the bottom and aren't really seen as often as other bits of content on the main page. I don't mind if you remove the trivia to replace it with Money making guides or useful tips (maybe tips relevant to the EoC? because people will be confused), but I don't think this feature should be removed. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 08:21, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Revamp - Maybe tips about recent updates? Updating Portal:Recent updates (who came up with that...) was rather horrible, but changing a few texts should be easy. Either way, random trivia aren't quite so useful... User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 08:35, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Revamp - We should move the section where people can easily notice (I suggest between 'Chat' and 'On this day'). We could add interesting trivia, like all the Falador Knights' and some of the druids' names are puns, pronounciation of words like Guthix, Ardougne and then a link to our pronunciation guide, etc. --Alchez 13:33, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Revamp - Move it to somewhere more visible on the page too. Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 14:43, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Revamp - I think there are some people interested in reading some good trivia, or maybe tips on playing like me. Explore and enjoy the world! TIMMMO Work it with all my heart!++Discuss Sign 14:51, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Kill - On second thought, I agree that no one will update it after a few months. It is meaningless to enter a vicious cycle of "nomination for deletion" and "revamp for a short time". Explore and enjoy the world! TIMMMO Work it with all my heart!++Discuss Sign 15:13, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Question to you revampires - Are you willing to keep it up to date with useful information and work on it regularly? Or is it going to be someone else's responsibility? ʞooɔ 18:19, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Honestly, I can see people actively updating the template… but only for a short time, after which it will become dead and obsolete again. Then you'll make another thread to remove or revamp again. And so on and so on until Al Sharpton asks us kindly to stop. MolMan 20:05, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
Changing my stance from revamp to kill, because of this. After thinking about it a little more, it will become useless. There are many pages on the wiki, like Build number and the "quest experience rewards in insert skill here" pages, that go through cycles of being abandoned versus being actively updated. There is no reason to add another page like this.  a proofreader ▸  00:05, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Kill - As per "particularly feasible given our penchant to ignore stuff after a while. I just want the current thing gone." Blaze_fire.png12.png 18:47, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Manslaughter - No one is going to keep it alive past a few months at most. Even with a written pledge. 222 talk 08:08, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

EXTERMINATE. ELIMINATE. ERADICATE. - I wanted to keep it alive at first because I LOVE trivia about nearly anything. Then I read everyone's comments, decided to agree with them, and ate my chicken salad sandwich. 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 01:37, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Revamp - It's just one of those things that people usually never read but it's always nice to have - don't get me wrong. It's a wonderful feature to have./bren/tc 16:06, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Revamp - I like it. I looked at it twice and found both things quite interesting. --Zamorak godsword detail.png techguy1001Talk 21:38, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

So you're basing your entire stance off of just the two that you saw? Also, do you think you'd be willing to help update it? MolMan 19:40, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Remove - While I like the idea, the tips are just trivia, and it's location offers little to no visibility, simply adding clutter. For those who would like it to remain, it could always be put on user pages (which I would probably do anyways, if it was revamped).

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Kill - I like the section and would like to keep it, but I know what will happen if we decide to revamp it. For a few weeks we'll have all new trivia, but eventually it'll die down and become abandoned again and then someone will make a new YG post about it and the cycle will continue. Unfortunately, I just don't see it lasting. ɳex undique 02:06, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Revamp - If we were to put some trivia that is actually interesting in there, we could keep it. If nobody can come up with good trivia, Kill it. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 12:25, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

We have an extremely useful page. So, how's this look? We could still add loads of more stuff that isn't on the page, like some game references in the newer quests. --Alchez 15:14, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
That's not...useful. It's totally context-dependent and looks ridiculous on the main page. ʞooɔ 15:52, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
Of course it's context-dependent. "Did you know?" was made for people who are familiar with Prince Ali, Fortunato, Death, etc. and not some passerby. And this is just a work-in-progress, we could always re-tweak the words and references.. --Alchez 06:45, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
No, I mean that such trivia makes sense on the article pages themselves, but looks really...campy on the main page. If we're going to keep DYK then we need to do a lot better, and a lot more useful. ʞooɔ 06:47, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
Do you have a good example? I can start hacking and slashing through the Wiki for them then. --Alchez 06:56, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
Nothing in particular. Things that will help with gameplay. Tip.It Times, for instance, does a decent job with DYKs that are surprising but at least slightly useful. It's hard to come up with useful stuff on a regular basis, which is why I want to shut it down. The trivia you had is nice, but it's really just a slightly better version of what we had before. ʞooɔ 07:27, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - What if we revamp the DYK with [[Easter_egg_(feature)|this]] page? I found it really interesting. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 11:12, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, yes that's what I mean. Stuff like that is actually interesting. If we're gonna keep it, I'd support having those kinds of things in it, maybe combined with Cultural references stuff. Just make it the good ones only. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 15:03, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
Heck no. All the silly pony lovers will just put pony references there and make half the readership put their hands into their faces. --LiquidTalk 06:19, December 14, 2012 (UTC) --Iiii I I I 06:21, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

Notice of intent - I will close this as a "kill" result unless serious discussion about revamping the feature materializes in the near future. We all have to be cognizant of the fact that revamping this requires dedicated work from individuals. --LiquidTalk 09:13, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Closed - Did you know will be removed for the time being. If someone has a good idea about how to revamp it, specifics should be discussed in another thread. --LiquidTalk 00:23, December 18, 2012 (UTC)