Forum:Relocate or Remove Forums
Technically, yes, and I don't think it should remain. There isn't a lot of activity anymore and even though there are still users using it once in a while, this specific forum needs to go. If the forums should remain, I think they should be renamed (RuneForums) and NOT use phpBB. Wikia has it's own forums.
Here's the summary.
- A - Remove it forever.
- B - Rename and relocate it.
- C - Keep it, it's fine.
Oppose - They're not hurting anything by being there.22:43, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
Strong Support - As much as I don't want to agree with someone I know has had a...a past, I have to agree with removing them forever. They are misused by clueless users who think people will (A) join their clan, (B) go to a phishing site and lose their account, (C) buy and sell things there, even though the forums are not a marketplace, (D) ask questions only Jagex can help them with (or in one case, try to rally us against them after THE USER did something illegal), and (E) 'ALL OF THE FRICKING ABOVE. No one uses them correctly anymore, and those that do are, like, what, new to the wiki? I don't think any of the forumadmins go there any more. Just kill the forums now, PLEASE. --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 22:55, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - Just because they're not incredibly active that does not mean we should remove them. And I think it's really rude of you to justify deleting the forums because some guy forgot some items. ʞooɔ 23:20, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
Comment - Now look, I did say that the forums are defunct, and I was planning on proposing something similar myself, but the reasons that you have stated are wholly inadequate and completely appalling. Like Cook said, it is incredibly rude to call people "careless" for something as trivial as that.
Furthermore, the choices you provided aren't very good. "Remove it forever" implies that this is a irreversible decision, which is certainly is not. Please explain the positions further or reword the choices if you really want to get something done. --LiquidTalk 23:26, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Actually, this would be permanent. Wikia no longer offers these forums - if we remove them, they are gone forever. Ajraddatz 23:29, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
Strong oppose - If they aren't active, use them. There is no reason to remove them. Ajraddatz 23:29, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - While I don't care for the extension, Wikia only ran the phpBB extension as a trial a couple years back. As such, very few Wikia wikis had the extension granted/given, much less use them as we see today. Others have stated that Wikia will not be adding the extension should be remove it. I'd go out on a limb and say that this is the only Wiki it is still used on. Wikia has recently said that they would be keen to see developed and have looked at what we have and other PHPBB forums that right now have a drawback on MediaWiki 1.16 sadly. Ryan PM 23:52, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - While I like this proposal, this is stupid. It basically makes the RuneScape Wiki look weird. --02:11, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
Strong oppose - I'd love to see the forums become (somewhat) active again. Maybe the reason no one uses them anymore is because no one knows about them? >_> Removing the link to the forums under the Community drop-down menu didn't help. As far as I know, the only link to the forums is on the RuneScape Forums article. Also, if the forums were removed, there would be no need for forum admins. 03:45, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
- The second link on the recent changes page is to the forums. And since the cleanup of those links, it is pretty clear. --Degenret01 06:21, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - Some people still use it and there is a small amount of activity on it.05:46, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - Who is to say they won't become active again at some point? Inb4 UCS Flavius47 11:53, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - Per above.19:44, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
C-c-c-combo breaker - We remove these, we kill off a part of the wiki forever. What about the people who worked hard at them, and passed their RfFs? They won't be pleased. You could equate this to shutting down the CC due to inactivity. Real Crazy 11:19, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
- Well that was worded terribly. I mean, I think there should be link to the forums on the Community Portal. (davelopo) 19:55, February 15, 2011 (UTC)
So you want to keep the forums
Personally, I am neither for nor against keeping them. But a lot of people wish to see them kept and become active. That is all well and good, but there are some things you (I am going to say "you" a lot, every time I do it means "the people that want our forums to be active) are going to have to realize, and a couple of obstacles to overcome before that can happen.
- Our wiki community currently has two very active real time chat systems (that I know of), the in game CC and IRC.
With a real time chat system available people will be less likely to gravitate to a communications method where you post a message and wait minutes/hours/days for a response. It just does not make sense for most situations. It can help in long term planning of events and such, but mostly, real time communication is just the way to go. You, me, him, her, and everyone else realizes this, which is the reason that real time talks are utilized. Because they work so well. Now I am certainly not suggesting in way, shape, manner, or form, that our real time communication be lessened. Not after saying how effective they are. I am just making a point, because it seems some people are not connecting the dots on their own.
- A dead forums will not come to life on their own
All the wanting/wishing/hoping in the world will not bring these forums to life. What can bring these to life however is right here. It is you. Every single one of you who want the forums to live need to make them live. There are still lots of people out there who like to use forums, and search them out to become part of that community. Cool. BUT, they will not come to a dead forums. They will find the live active ones. It will take all of you who want our forums to live to become active on them. Not once or twice a day or four times a week. You must use them constantly, talk to each other, start pointful threads and engage in discussion. This will be difficult when we have the real time chat options, but this is the ONLY way to bring our forums to life. YOU must use them, AND tell others about them. Tell everyone you know, talk to, or hang with. Invite people, bring people, discuss forum threads and point people to them. If you do this for long enough (I personally guess 3 months minimum, maybe six), we might get enough forum type people to sustain them. But be certain, it will take you to be active. Lots, often, and constantly. If you do not do this, they will remain dead. Be sure of that.
So each of you who want our forums to live must decide, are you willing to do the work to make it happen? It won't happen any other way.--Degenret01 05:42, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
- You make an excellent second point. I still think that we need a link to the forums somewhere other than the Recent Changes, but I'd have to agree that a link will not solve everything.
- Despite my lack of activity for the past several months, I have still found the time to post on the forums and help other users (recently, however, this hasn't been the case, but I plan to change that). Those of you who are very active and want the forums to stay... offer your opinions in the Tavern. Answer questions to the best of your ability in the Help Desk. Participate in the forum games if you want a break from all the work here. 19:38, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
Comment - Degen's comment reminded me of something I was mulling over. He is 100% right, people will not just gravitate to dead forums. We need something to draw them there, and something to stimulate participation. With our new events team, a lot of unregistered users are being drawn into our community through our events and their planning. If RS:ET used our forums to plan and discuss events, I'm pretty sure that would draw lots of people to the forums, which in turn would lead to a increased interest in the forums on the whole. Right now, the forums feel so isolated from the wiki we need something to draw them back together in order to revive them. I believe the events team may be just the thing to do that. --Aburnett (Talk) 19:46, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
- That can't always happen. Some things (like the recent Treasure Trails event) have to be done in secret, or else the point of the event is defeated. --LiquidTalk 00:13, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
Comment - So I tried to find the link in the Recent Changes but failed. So now I looked again and found it in the small print. If someone new was to come here and try and find the forums, I am not sure they would know to look under the Recent Changes. Why were they removed from under the Community Heading? It seems like a community place, or use to be back when people argued over grammer in the old forums. On a lighter note, at least we don't have the Simpsons logo on the top left hand cornor of the forums anymore. Ancient Fofo 23:48, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
Lets Take Initiative - If we should decide to keep these forums we should work ourselves to update them, since Wikia doesn't support them.
- They are currently heavily outdated by running a heavily modded phpBB3 beta 4(November 2006), since then many features and most importantly security improvements have come out, see here for most of the change-log, note the current version is 3.0.8.
- MediaWiki has undergone many changes since <1.12 that was running in 2006, with it now being 1.16, we may be able to fully get wikitext working on the forums.
- Since Wikia has only kept it working without updates and it was buggy even at that time, the skins are broken and they should be replaced with monobook and oasis skins, supporting the same skin preferences as on the wiki and the wiki/user CSS/JS.
- I believe the forums should be like the wiki, except with phpBB's forum interface where required. Potentially, we could create something similar to this for listing topics on the wiki.
I plan to try and setup a local Wikia install with the forums, but currently due to some missing schemas and a cluster-oriented setup this is a bit of task to get running, once I do, then I can setup a github to host the code for us to work on since we have plenty of qualified coders, also providing sample configuration and database dump for ease of use. If this is done right Wikia may accept it, possibly getting it on other wikis, and if not, then it will at least provide a base for other MediaWiki setups wanting native phpBB forums. - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 05:31, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
- charitwo on IRC stated Wikia will never touch that code and the fact it hasn't been removed is surprising, although he isn't staff, he is familiar with how Wikia handles this sort of thing, so it may be a waste of effort. - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 06:34, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Wikia is still looking forward into the future for new forums, whether it be one coded here or released elsewhere, you might want to talk to them directly. Without the chat logs, I can't infer why he thought that Wikia would have removed them when at least four wikis still use the extension. Ryan PM 02:05, February 18, 2011 (UTC)