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This thread was archived on 31 October 2011 by Nex Undique.

The easiest way for wiki to have the easiest most possible navigation is for the redirect pages. And we have them! But sometimes (and think about all the noob accounts and IP adresses) when a person searches a page and gets redirected to another page they didn't want to go to, they leave and we failed our job of helping other runescapians. Or if they search a page and it appears as nothing, because they might have made a typo, another failure. And if you think, that is another page that could be a redirect for faster travel! First, after that little intro, I think that all the pages (not like RS, File, etc. pages) should have a very unnoticeable template stating "that if this is not the page you requested, please go here and please leave a message!" It will go to a new page, most likely being Runescape:Wrong Redirect, or changing RS:R to fit the needs. Secondly, a bot, could be helpful to fit the constant mass amount of pages there are. Thirdly, with the pages that appear as nothing, it will appear in, one of the special pages (can't think its name right now, it shows recent or popular searches?), the bot will then wait till it has been searched at for maybe 5 times [Bad thing is it could be inappropriate but I bet it could be programed in not to make certain pages]; one the page that it is making, it will use another template stating "{{subst:PAGENAME}} is a redirect page but doesn't have a home yet, please replace this in edit mode with '#REDIRECT [[What You Just Searched]]' to give this page a home". And if it is a vandal it could just be Rollbacked/Undone.


Support- As Nom. Hair 23:48, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I am not entirely sure the point you're trying to get across, but in response to each of your points:

  • It is a very rare occurrence to have a redirect that goes to the incorrect page. It would be even rarer for someone to a) know what a redirect is, b) notice that they're on the wrong page, and c) edit the appropriate page. If we set this up, I would not be surprised if we got zero responses on the page, ever.
  • What would the bot be used for? I don't understand.
  • The special page you are thinking of is Special:SearchDigest. Few people know about it, and to be honest I would like to keep it that way. I think that having a bot create the page (and making it say "replace this page with a redirect") is a hell of a lot more complicated than just keeping it as a red link until someone creates it. That's also not even how redirects work: you need to make it redirect to the non-redirect version of the page, not what the person searched. That would create hundreds or thousands of unneeded pages on the off-chance that someone will figure out how to fix it.

I agree with you that we need a way to fix incorrect searches. One of the ways to do this is to make improved search logic (to deal with typos, sections, et al), but Wikia does not seem to want to make that. The second way to deal with it is to log all of the searches that people do, and then make redirects for what they are looking for. That was what we decided to do a few months back, where Aeri made a perl script to pull the searches from the sitemeter page that was logging them. Wikia didn't like that, so they replaced it with their own version, the special page that I mentioned above. Because of the hard work of people like Coel, Nex and Ciph, we've lowered the percentage of search misses by nearly 50% since we started.

I agree with your aims, but I don't think any of the proposals here will help much. ʞooɔ 00:33, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

You forgot to mention yourself there Cook What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 14:06, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - All this will do is create a mass of unneeded and unnecessary pages. Also, not everything in Special:SearchDigest can be redirected. Plenty of people have searched for rival games such as World of Warcraft or Minecraft. Under your proposal, those would get a nice little template saying they need to be redirected, again creating unneeded and unnecessary pages What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 14:06, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Per the pair above me. This would cause more harm than good. Ronan Talk 17:43, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - So Instead of creating the pages if they are oftenly searched, lets just scratch that out. Still I think there could be a template placed on the pages asking if this is where they wanted to go. And... It woouldn't be a poll or anything just stating if it wasn't where they wanted to go, press a link. So it could be solved.
And to Cooks first bullet: The Redirect may not lead to an incorrect page but could possibly lead to a better one. Like if, for example (I think this did happen but Im not sure?), if Tar redirected to Swamp Tar but not to Tar (disambiguation), It isn't an incorrect page but it could have been lead to a better page. Hair 21:49, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

I agree that there are times (rare, but still existent) that redirects could have a better target page. But I don't think that it's a big enough problem that we should take up space on every page, especially when there's a pretty good chance that it's all for naught because people still won't be interested. Beyond that, it's also possible that putting a link to that effect will make people think of our wiki as less professional. ʞooɔ 22:01, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Notice of Intent - I don't think it would be wise to close this now, because there has been so little discussion, but if there's none in the next few days I'll close it as unsuccessful. ɳex undique 22:09, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Per cook's logic. Hofmic Talk 04:02, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - There is no consensus to implement anything. ɳex undique 20:45, October 31, 2011 (UTC)