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This thread was archived on 14 April 2012 by Liquidhelium.

Currently AndorinKato has revisiondelete tools, which he was given last year due to being easy to reach in the IRC. However this no longer appears to be the case. I am proposing that we transfer Andorin's tools to another admin. There are 2 that I have in mind to receive the tools.

We have a limited stock of revisiondelete tools available to admins, only 5. Currently they are in the hands of Cook Me Plox, Thebrains222, Gaz Lloyd, Urbancowgurl777 and Andorin. As these tools are limited, we really cannot afford to have them in the hands of inactive admins. Andorin has not logged in since 8 February 2012, nearly 2 months, and by reports he has not been in the IRC channel either. We do not need a revdel who we cannot access.

Andorin's behaviour in the months leading up to his departure has been an issue. Back in January, people for a laugh impersonated Cook Me Plox on the IRC while cook was in the chat. Andorin demanded everybody stop and this eventually resulted in an impersonation rule thread. When things didn't go his way on that he posted a message on his userpage, making out that those who opposed his changes have lost their senses and that the "ridiculous change" would "drive away too many more people. [sic]", in what looks to me like a, for lack of a better word, a tantrum. That he would act in such a way over something he doesn't like doesn't give me much faith that he is a good candidate for the tools any more.

Now onto the candidates to receive the tools if consensus is reached to remove them from Andorin:

My first candidate is Liquidhelm. I believe that he would make good use of the tools as I have seen him delete entire pages to get rid of a single revision instead of wait for a revdel or crat to come along and delete the page. He is also active in the IRC, and the ingame clan chat, being a deputy owner.

My second choice would be TyA. Tyler has been trusted with the CheckUser tool, so as he can be trusted with that I believe he can be trusted with the revisiondelete tool as well. This would also consolidate the powers of revdel and checkuser into 6 people rather than 7. He can be reached in the IRC and the Special:Chat.

Should there be any other potentionals you wish to mention go ahead and nominate them.

Also, just to make clear, I am not proposing we desysop Andorin.


Support Liquid receiving the tools - I would just like to point out, as I know this is likely to come up, I do not wish to receive the revdel tools as I do not believe anybody without at least 6 months admin experience should get them. I have not asked Matt but Ansela agrees with me What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 15:27, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Support Liquid - I don't want them, as per Ciph. Small recharge gem.png AnselaJonla Slayer-icon.png 15:33, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - I think it would be best to decide if we are going to reassign the revdel rights, and then after that start nominations, like it went with earlier revdel/checkuser threads. So, supporting liquid is okay, but I think we should start with discussing if we do want to do this (I think it kinda makes sense, but still...). JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 15:35, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Pickle - If we reassign them now, I think we would end up reassigning them again in a few months after some of our newer admins become less new given the candidates. So is it even worth it to go through the trouble right now? sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 16:19, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should be able to run a thread for both revdel and checkuser every 6 months or so, and that only people who got revdel or cu can nom others before the 6 months are over then, to take over their tools if they're going inactive. That would bring some clearer structure in this, and it would prevent having another forum like this too soon. Also, every months is a minimum to be between the noms then, not that there has to be a nom 6 months after the last one. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 16:35, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - I don't know why you went off on a tangent about Andorin's behaviour. It's not relevent to Revisiondelete. You're initial reasons for reassigning the tools were good enough, so you didn't need to try and warp something like that into another supporting point. I suggest you consider that in the future. --Henneyj 16:47, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with that. While I definitely do not like how Andorin behaved about that issue, I also believe it is somewhat irrelevant here. bad_fetustalk 09:07, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Support either Liquid or Ty - Firstly, I see no reason why a "newer" admin shouldn't be able to get the tools. Revision delete is as simple as it gets, click one link to hide the revision and again to show it once more (with options on what to hide). Overall, there's no worries they wouldn't know what to do, and if they passed an RfA, I think they are most certainly trusted. With that being said, I am open to seeing more proposals on candidates to receive the tools, but would actively support Liquid or Ty getting the tools in the meantime (and admittedly, I don't know where our limits come from, but I'd be great with seeing both editors get RevisionDelete). On Wikipedia, all sysops have the RevisionDelete ability (though they also have a oversights that can hide revisions even from other sysops), and I'd be supportive of that here, as well. At any rate, if we can only have one revision deleter, I give equal weight to both Liquid or Ty. Hofmic Talk 22:55, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

This has been discussed in the past, however Wikia was unwilling to give all our sysops access to the tool. --Aburnett(Talk) 00:41, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
Changed to support Ansela - Per Fergie, if Ansela is willing to accept the tools, and we only can give the tools to one person, Ansela is the best choice. She's very active, a strong counter-vandal, and an experienced user. I don't think being a relatively new admin makes a difference, and believe she would make the best choice for the tools. Hofmic Talk 08:51, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Support Ty - Considering neither Ciph nor Ansela have any desire for the tools, and noting that Ty's contributions seem to be more wiki based than Liquid's, I would say Ty is the more sensible choice. From my perspective Liquid's edits are far more based on cc tasks, although in my experience he is easier to contact. I'm also curious why there is a limit to the number of revdel rights. Admittedly inactive admins have little use for them, but active admins would probably have enough use for them to be worthwhile. cqm talk 23:45, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

I believe it was a Wikia-imposed limit. 222 talk 08:29, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Support Liquid - Liquid has showed that he is not one to easily go inactive and is usually very accessible via clan chat, IRC, or talk. He will undoubtedly be quick and ruthless if given access to revdel. Also in reference to Henneyj's point, I agree that Andorin's actions during the impersonation discussion should be left out of this proposal. Wanting to remove someone's tools as a result of their actions is completely different than wanting to remove the tools due to inactivity. If you have lost your confidence in Andorin's decision making ability, you should bring that up in a thread of its own. --Aburnett(Talk) 00:41, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Support Liquid - Ease of access and communication are probably the most important attributes after ability to use the tools and trust. Liquid, thanks to his poor sleeping patterns Lol, is easily contactable. 222 talk 08:29, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Support Ansela - It's all about activity. And since she doesn't outright oppose receiving the additional tools, we can give it to the most active user. 222 talk 08:58, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Support either of them - I am perfectly fine giving both of them revdel, and I can't really choose between them. But for the purposes of consensus, just give it to Liquid. (Sorry Ty Wink) Matt (t) 10:43, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Support Zam - Or both if Wikia allows that. Both zammy and helm are active at varying times, but I think zammy is just a better choice because he would probably use it more, and is a bit easier to reach on S:C. Most times helm is on, zammy is also on, so I think that wouldn't be a big problem. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 10:54, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Support Kevin - I fully trust him to use these tools to the best of his ability. Also, as a frequenter of four different Wiki chat mediums, there should be absolutely no difficulties in contacting him should one ever need to. Ronan Talk 11:05, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

media* JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 13:10, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
Medium. Ronan Talk 19:37, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
"four different Wiki chat <thingies>" is plural. Plural of medium is media. Nub. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 07:56, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
Mediums is also accepted, like with formulas. 222 talk 09:45, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose both - ...I don't think either will use it enough for it to be worth going through with this thread, like I said above. I think it'd be more advantageous for us to wait a few months for our other admins to have a chance - ones that will actually use it. I don't really see a need for another requests-only admin to be able to revdelete since that's what most of the revdeleters are right now anyway. Also, both candidates presented are equally as inactive. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 12:30, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose both - As stated above, they are equally inactive/active. It is kind of hard to choose. Also, I doubt Wikia will actually remove a revdel and give another. Neitiznot  Choose OptionMy userpage Talk to me! Spam goes here Sign here! 18:53, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Of course they will. Ronan Talk 18:58, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
They have done it before, and they will do it again, if there is consensus to do so. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 19:49, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Support Liquid - Has had use for the tools in the past, as noted by the nominator. Smithing (talk | contribs) 22:49, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose both per fergie. Let's wait it out and find a nice active admin with a current need for the tools. ajr 22:58, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - I know Ansela has already said she doesn't want them, but I think she would be the perfect candidate for them since she is so active in chat, and would actually have a use for them herself, rather than just being there for requests. Also, what's the point in waiting a few months, having a user who is inactive have these tools, when you could just give them to an admin who knows how to use them. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 13:02, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Any admin could use them, they aren't exactly rocket science. Let's give them to Ansela then! Whether she wants them or not :D ajr 13:40, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
In all honesty, after reading through Fergs point about both being relatively inactive Ansela does seem like an ideal candidate for the tools and being so active in anti-vandalism it would be surprising if she didn't have a use for them herself. cqm talk 15:28, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
I thought she "wasn't ready" yet, and I also thought there was an unsaid 6-month rule for an admin to have revdelete.. Is this actually true or not? sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 15:34, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
Unwritten six month rule? I've never heard of this and sounds absurd on both sides. Both those granting the user group and Wikia for holding back the right from all administrators. That being said, any administrator should be eligible for it and not just ones that have tenure or whatever we are going to call it. Ryan PM 17:49, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
Are we confusing Ciph's comment at the top of the page with some kind of policy? Besides, if we trust the user with the tools and they're willing to use them is there really a problem? cqm talk 17:54, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
No, this is something I thought from the first round of checkuser/revdeleters. Lol. So no, there isn't really a problem if that's the case. I asked, and she won't protest if given the tools, so I support Ansela. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 21:05, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
I support Ansela again if she'll accept it. Ronan Talk 21:34, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose both, support Ansela - Ansela is the perfect candidate. I really don't know why she wouldn't want it. I supported her although she said she didn't want them, because she might change her mind. --HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 03:54, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Oh and per Fergie for opposing both. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 03:55, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - if consensus is that I am the best candidate for the tools, then I will accept them. (Stop nagging me now, Joey and Henney?) Small recharge gem.png AnselaJonla Slayer-icon.png 17:13, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

I'll stop nagging you about this --Henneyj 17:22, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Closed - This thread has more or less reached consensus; I'll contact Wikia about transferring Andorin's revisiondelete to Ansela. --LiquidTalk 00:17, April 14, 2012 (UTC)