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This thread was archived on 16 March 2010 by Calebchiam.

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I say all that mess with titles and keywords and links was worth it. Let's look at how we are now:

Search "Runescape"

Google - 4th result
Bing - 17th result (World map)
Yahoo - 7th result
Ask - 12th result (not counting paid advertisements)
Dogpile - 9th result

Search "Runescape guide"

Google - 14th result
Bing - 30th result (Hunter)
Yahoo - 8th result (not counting the result with the "Dangerous downloads" warning, which I doubt anyone would click on)
Ask - Not found.
Dogpile - 21st result

Search "Runescape wiki"

Google - 1st result
Bing - 1st result
Yahoo - 1st result
Ask - 1st result
Dogpile - 2nd result

Along the way, I spotted this FAIL of an ad:
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5837/lolz.png
I lol'd

Enigma 20:30, November 17, 2009 (UTC)


Comment - Lol @ the add. And i did notice that every Runescape item or monster i googled took me to the Wiki.Dragon platebody.pngCeno FlameTalk Contribs # SignDragon chainbody.png 22:29, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

@ the ad: BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Also, the first one seems good, but we need to do something about "Runescape guide" to get us higher up. http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 01:59, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

I agree, though it's a really good improvement to last time. That's a big one people would search for if they're just looking for a guide to RuneScape in general. We need to go deeper... The big question: How do those search engines determine what comes first? We need to find that out and game the system. How did we get the 4th result "runescape"? Because "RuneScape" is our main keyword? Well, the RSW is pretty much nothing but a scource of information; a guide. See where I'm going? — Enigma 05:21, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
Comment - think those results are good, but obviously "guide" would be better higher up. We get high with RuneScape because it is listed on a lot (maybe the majority) of our articles, in the text. But on an item article, we're not going to say "Abyssal Whip" guide, etc. It isn't really something we can do. By the way, I was surprised we got number 1 for "runescape wiki". I was sure Wikipedia would win that battle. And LOL at that ad Lol Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 06:05, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - For some reason, the Google results for "RuneScape" are different for me. There are like three RWT sites before us... -.- ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  08:13, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Gota love that ad Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 08:16, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Google's ranking for "RuneScape Fansite" list us as 34th. We should throw out the word "Fansite" a bit more ;)

Bonziiznob Talk

18:07, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe we should change our tagline. "From the RuneScape Wiki, the wiki fansite for all things RuneScape". White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 17:14, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Google was how I found the RuneScape wiki (And was accidental), also, there are google searches for editors as well. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 06:40, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Comment I like to use the word "help" in my searches. That places us fifth, but behind 4 big ones (Sals Tip.it Zybez RuneHQ).--Degenret01 07:23, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - according to the box that pops up for me about most common searches on Google when you type in RuneScape, it goes "RuneScape.com" "RuneScape wiki" "RuneScape cheats" "RuneScape private servers" "RuneScape quest help" "RuneScape hacks" "RuneScape autotyper" "RuneScape cursors" "RuneScape help". For RuneScape Quest help (where we want to be) we are not included at all, with Google giving the Runescape Quest Help Wiki with its 0 pages of content priority over us. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 10:20, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Google can be a little annoying at times... Google gives different results in different PCs. I once searched for something in my main PC and found the item at rank #1, but when I went back to my laptop and searched it again, it went down a few ranks. Surprised, I went back to the PC and searched again, and lo and behold, still at rank #1. I think Google sometimes rank results based on our previous searches but I am not too sure about this.

Yes, Google does indeed rank results partly based on previous searches. This has even more effect when you're logged in to iGoogle, since they are certain it is the same person using it. As for getting "guide" on our pages, look runescape guide runescape quest helpat this code: <span style="visibility: hidden; position: absolute; top: 0; left: 0;">runescape guide runescape quest help</span>. That code is included between the words "look" and "at". On 99% of browsers, its completely invisible, but Google will still count it as part of the page text. In response to the failed ad: ROFLMAO (the stuff that's good on sandwiches, but makes you laugh). I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 04:58, November 21, 2009 (UTC) 

Can someone try this out to see if I'm right? Search in a PC you rarely use (i.e. work, school, etc.) and compare the Google rank in a PC you use often... do you get different ranks for the same item?   az talk   11:10, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

"runescape help" did not change from one old crappy slow work desktop pc to my pretty nice home desktop pc.--Degenret01 12:30, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Lol ad. On topic, I think it might be a changing from .ca to .com to .co.uk to whatever you use. Hello71 02:47, November 21, 2009 (UTC) oops

I think WoW Wiki did that. They purchased the domain "http://www.wowwiki.com/" But the thing is you have to purchase it. It costs money every month. If someone is willing to do that, though, it can be great help sometimes. — Enigma 14:35, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
They've always used that domain because they weren't apart of Wikia at first. Andrew talk 21:23, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

A different angle - This is based on what Alexa.com says about the wiki compared to other fansites using the peak amount of players each month. It uses all the default setting, which is described by Alexa as a "Percent of global Internet users who visit [the address]". RuneScape Wikia falls under the "Wikia" site, though Alexa also says that 3.1% of people on Wikia go to the RuneScape wikia so the percentage has been calculated for the RuneScape wiki. These figures are not trustworthy, however it is a good overview.

Fansite Peak percentage
RuneScape Wiki 0.013
Zybez 0.011
RuneHQ 0.015
Tip.it 0.014
Sal's Realm 0.009

Using Alexa, this places the wiki as the 3rd most visited RuneScape fansite. RuneHQ is very unstable however, with very large fluctuation meaning that for most of the time it seems that wiki is more visited, making us #2.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Evil yanks (talk) on 09:31, 24 November 2009.

Comment - I also went to the Dutch, French and German Googles (.nl, .fr, .de respectively) and this was the result:

Dutch: English RSW at 4th, Dutch at 11th O_o

French: French RSW at 14th, English at 15th

German: German RSW at 11th, English at 13th.

Zybez seems to be very popular in Germany... Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 17:47, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Thus proving my theory that those over at Zybez are Nazis. But did anyone listen? No. http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 14:48, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
That was a bit uncalled for O_o Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 09:52, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
Kidding, kidding... (no offense to any Germans) http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 17:17, November 27, 2009 (UTC)



i think that the titlebar of Runescape Wiki needs to be changed. Skills, quests, guides, and more may serve the majority of a player's needs, but more indirect focus should be placed on various other subjects of Runescape, such as minigames. --Fruit.Smoothie 01:23, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Searching "RuneScape Minigames" got us at third. "RuneScape Distractions and Diversions" got us first. "RuneScape Treasure Trails" got us third. "RuneScape Achievement Diary" got us first. "RuneScape Bestiary" got us third. "RuneScape monsters" got us 14th, I think. We should try to improve our monster search. "RuneScape locations" got us third. "RuneScape items" got us at 53rd, but there were a bunch of RWT sites, so we might have been on the second page without them. So, two words we should try to improve on are "monsters" and "items". ~MuzTalk 02:19, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Since the Wiki is editable by everybody, the quest guides are up the first. So my advice is: When a new quest is out, for example, Mournings End Part III, add it to MediaWiki:Pagetitle and MediaWiki:Pagetitle-view-mainpage. Éverybody is looking for a quest guide, and the RSW will land at the top. Mark (Talk) • (Contribs) 13:58, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

This one's nice. This is the Google Trends trend of searches for the RSW:

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A lot of spikes. Also, as can be seen on the page itself ([1]), a lot of people from New Zealand have searched for us. Strange. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 19:47, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

Even more strange: If you look up the trends for simply "Runescape", the largest searches are being done in Finnish, Lithuanian, and Dutch, with English coming in at #4. And the USA is listed as country #9, with the Netherland and Canada ranking well above the USA for searches. That really seems a bit odd to me. --Robert Horning 19:59, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
Horny little dutches. Get it? Horny...Robert HORNING Ahahaha, no. --Fruit.Smoothie 20:06, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
I think Dutch people search for it so often because there are many kids here who play it (seriously, if you go to any school here, I bet half the boys play or have played RS). And there are freaking TV commercials for RS!
And FruitSmoothie, what was that comment about? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 21:49, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
Very strange results. In Australia, RuneScape is not as popular among kids/teenagers, as would be in other countries, I would have to say. I find it confusing that Oceania had the highest amount of searches for the RuneScape Wiki. Chicken7 >talk 22:30, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
http://www.google.com/trends?q=runescape+wiki%2C+runescape+zybez%2C+runehq%2C+tip.it Kewl =), we're almost beating runehq and beating the others. Quest point cape.pngTalk Newbie856 edit count Nomad guideMusic icon.png 00:35, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
I always thought Tip.it was a lot more popular than runehq. What is you look for 'runetips' instead of 'tip.it'? It's their 'real' name. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 17:15, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
"runetips" scores even lower than "tip.it". Though, a thing to remember: when people look for Wikipedia's article on RuneScape, they will sometimes type "runescape wiki", as "Wiki" and "Wikipedia" are treated as interchangable with some people. The graph puts us as essentially tied with RuneHQ, but the actual searches intended to get people here is probably lower. In other news, WoWWiki is whooping us. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 20:42, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
I'm not surprised (don't think I'm saying that just because I left RS for Wow Wink) WoW has over 11 million players, and quickly growing, last year they had what, 9 million? The year before that, 7 million? 2 million a year? Doesn't RS have like 4 million? Yeah. It's just numbers you should expect. — Enigma 04:53, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
Actually last year WoW had 11.5m players ref. I don't know where you got your figure from for this year but if its true then there really hasnt been much growth this year at all. By contrast Runescape has 10m active players a month ref. It's an irrelevant point regardless to the discussion. Both WoW and Runescape have a comparable number of players per month, it's just the majority of Runescape players use the f2p version. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 13:18, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
@Chia: I guess you're right, but wouldn't RuneScape WikiPedia have more searches then? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 17:44, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
Consumers are lazy people. I'll just fall back on that. :P Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 00:42, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I LOL'd at that ad so much(I've actually played that game for some time, just stopped playing after my video card stopped working), now back to the topic, my searches are all different than that, maybe because I use google on portuguese(Brazil) language, and when I enter google.com normally, it redirects to google.com.br. Anyway, we could improve out searches on some points, but we've been doing great, comparable to the most famous RS fansites. Quest point cape detail.png Brux Talk 14:23, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - This Google Trends thing is fun to play around with. Lol http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 16:08, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Word, yo. ... Why on Earth did "oink" peak in late 2007? O_O. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 00:42, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
omg, Zaros is getting owned by Zamorak, and between Zammy and Sara, they're almost completely balanced O_O. Quest point cape detail.png Brux Talk 17:34, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
Guthix owns all. But enough fooling around. not. http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 16:24, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - When Zaros is searched in Google, we're second. (behind Zaro's bakery o_o) http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 16:26, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - So how can we make it better? - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 17:29, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Lengthen the titlebar - "Skills, quests, guides, and more". What about monsters, updates, music, minigames, etc. Also, we need to optimize Google's cache and PageRanking features. Our links need to be more valuable to users, not just descriptive and informative. Simply put, we can only get better, not worse, and we need to build upon that. The more people know, the more word is spread, the more this Wiki will be clicked on, the higher our "rank" will be. Oh yeah, advertising helps too, not blatant "JOIN TODAY AND RECEIVE FREE COOKIES", just word-of-mouth.

P.S. For the key term "runescape" on Google, we would actually be second place, not fourth. The second place is just a filler ad, third place is our beloved Wikipedia, which usually is never beaten by third-parties.--Fruit.Smoothie 23:12, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I think our metadescription is too simple. http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 02:08, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Tip.it's meta element: "Includes skill guides, item summaries, bestiary, quest walkthroughs, tips and tricks, maps, and more!" --Fruit.Smoothie 04:07, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - We could always try Google bombing :P. Make sure that every site you can post on, include <div style="visibility: hidden; position: absolute;"><a href="http://runescape.wikia.com/">The RuneScape wiki, for tips, guides, and anything else you need!</a></div>. That will be invisible on 99% of browsers, and if it's not, well, it still helps as long as the rest is a meaningful post.

Maybe we should ask Wikipedia if we can put that in all of their templates :P (that wasn't a serious suggestion, by the way). I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 04:15, December 17, 2009 (UTC) 

I'll put it on my forehead Smile Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 21:48, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
I thought after "Miserable Failure", Google "changed algorithms" (idk what that means) to prevent those. But you can try. http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 15:29, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

This is what I get:
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/9420/rswikisearch.png
BTW, I have ads blocked. Putting us at 6th, behind duplicates of the main RS site, Wikipedia, the RSGED (RuneScape Grand Exchange Database @ http://itemdb-rs.runescape.com), and one gold farming site. We're actually the first fansite! After us is RuneHQ. Hello71 03:13, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

What do those green rings mean? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 13:18, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
I'd have to guess that it means they're secure. (seeing as a gold farming site has a red one.) http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3921/thehimmemote.pngGone. 15:25, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
It is the Firefox extension Web of Trust. - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 20:59, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
Oh okay. I use McAfee SiteAdvisor, which is similar. Security is always a good thing Smile Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 21:25, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - This is what I got:

Search query Result number
Runescape help 14
Runescape quest guide 10
Runescape bestiary 3 OMG!
Runescape kbd guide 8
Runescape bosses 1 (WOW..)

Too tired to search for more lol. Fishing.png NnK Oliver (600613) talk 01:19, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Closed - C.ChiamTalk 08:36, March 16, 2010 (UTC)