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This thread was archived on 23 September 2011 by Ajraddatz.

Greetings. I would like to propose some changes to RuneScape:Quest style guide and as such quest articles. Proposal 1 is completely new, proposal 2 and 3 are already being implemented to quest articles, but I'd like to make them official and having them added to RS:QSG. The reason for proposal 1 is: it's still an article. The reason for proposal 2 is: we have quick guides for that. The reason for proposal 3 is: this is a guide. Two examples of quest guides already using proposal 2 and 3 are Love Story and King of the Dwarves.

Proposal 1

Expand the introduction above the guide. Sure, we don't need endless paragraphs, but more than "Hans's Marriage is an Ultimate Grandmaster quest released on 49 Centember 2467. It is the third quest in the Hans is Sooo Smart quest series and continues where the previous quest, The Evil Chicken, The Noob and The Hansonator, ended." It could tell something about the developer, the area(s) it features in, whether there were any new NPCs released, graphical updates, storyline, et cetera.

Proposal 2

Write quests like a story, not like steps, as we now have quick guides for that. Ex.:

Bad:

  • Speak to Reldo in the Library of Varrock Palace. He will tell something about Mahjarrat.
  • Now go to King Roald and pickpocket him.
  • Teleport to the Bahamas and find Bob. Talk to him.

Good:
Speak to Reldo in the Library of Varrock Palace. He will say that he thinks the Mahjarrat are behind the attacks and reveal some history about them. The Mahjarrat were freed by Icthlarin, the desert god of the dead, from their home realm Freneskae, which is a plane of endless war and destruction. After having served Icthlarin for a few thousand years, the Mahjarrat were taken from him by a god named Zaros. [goes on for a few more lines] You will tell Reldo that you saw a Mahjarrat put a partyhat in King Roald's pocket. Reldo will ask you to steal it from the king and bring it to Bob in the Bahamas. Now go to King Roald. Talking to him will be useless, so he must be pickpocketed. Do so and receive a Bomb very obviously disguised as partyhat. You must now teleport to the Bahamas. Locate Bob and talk to him. Show him your partyhat. He will tell you...

BECAUSE QUESTERS ENJOY LORE, PEOPLE WHO DON'T USE THE QUICK GUIDE. (sorry, had caps lock on)

Proposal 3

The guides must be written in the imperative form, but not every line, as it will become redundant and dull.

Bad:
The player must speak to Reldo. He or she should now ask about Mahjarrat. Reldo will tell them that...

Bad:
You must now speak to Reldo. You should ask about Mahjarrat. Reldo will tell you...

Good:
Speak to Reldo and ask him about Mahjarrat. Reldo will tell you...


Okay, discuss and tell me if I missed anything. If you have any other suggestions for additions to the QSG, tell them so we can discuss those as well.

Discussion

Support - As nominator. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 10:05, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Support All - Improved phrasing and a more descriptive walkthrough can do nothing but help. Ronan Talk 11:56, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Support - If changed like this, I see no further problems that will erupt. --クールネシトーク 12:14, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Support 2 and 3 - Per Smithing/suppa. --クールネシトーク 15:42, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Looks good. Very nice. HaloTalk 13:02, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Support 2 and 3 - We already have RS:LEAD for how to write lead sections. I believe quest articles should already follow that, and information such as development and the storyline should already be mentioned in the intro, assuming they're important enough to be included. The other suggestions would be an improvement to the guide, in my opinion. Smithing (talk | contribs) 15:08, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Support 2 and 3 - It's incredibly difficult to write a meaningful lead on some quest articles. Granted, I have managed on some quest guides, but it simply isn't possible without sounding repetitive or cheesy on some. That said, good luck enforcing these new rules Lol. Unless you mean to rewrite every quest guide, it's simply not going to happen. I've already knocked out about 9ish so far, but it would take a really long time to update all of the pages to conform to this guide. Suppa chuppa Talk 15:17, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yep, but it should go well if other help. Problem 1: The best way to do this is while doing the quest. I myself have 309 QP... Problem 2: New quests are being written the bad way, like Salt in the Wound. Let's all work together the second/third day after Branches of Darkmeyer and make it a nice article! User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 15:55, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
True. I've done all the quests, so when I wrote quest articles for quests that didn't just come out, I would watch a youtube video of the walkthrough to refresh myself on what happened. Suppa chuppa Talk 16:07, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Support I see nothing bad about this. --Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 16:31, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Strong support 2 - I don't write quest guides very often, but when I do, I always like 3 anyway. The way I see it, leave 3 for the quick guides. Also, isn't supporting both 2 and 3 self contradictory? Matt (t) 22:18, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

No. Perhaps "like a story" wasn't the clearest choice of wording. Suppa chuppa Talk 22:19, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Support 2, Comment 3 - Supporting 2 because we have quick guides, so normal guides should be different. Commenting on 3 that it's what RS:QSG#Writing style already is saying. -Hourglass (2011 Hallowe'en event) detail.png I Am Probably Someone Talk III The Spark.png- 10:41, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Support 2 & 3 - A story that gets straight to the point! Great! What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 09:04, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Last time I checked, we only have around a half dozen quick guides, and no more seem to be coming out. 222 talk 09:46, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

I'll eventually get around to writing more guides, and the guides that the new ones replace can be moved to a subpage since they're pretty much quick guides already. Suppa chuppa Talk 14:25, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
Sign, nub. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 14:25, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
Crap. Suppa chuppa Talk 14:25, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Notice of intent - A change to the style guide would be counterproductive unless we have quick guides for all (or almost all) of the quests. As such, this cannot be closed as successful until those guides are written, or unless someone clearly states his intentions to create them in the near future. "Eventually get around" is not the same as near future.

Therefore, this thread must be either closed as unsuccessful or kept open indefinitely until that issue is resolved. --LiquidTalk 20:29, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Shall I make a list of quests in my userspace or here that have been (re)written following these guidelines along with the ones which have not? User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 06:30, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
I think the formation of a project to maintain the quest articles, make quick guides and update them is required! Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 09:36, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. But what exactly is your point? User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 09:50, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
My point is that somebody should form this project... --Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 17:08, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
You guys can do whatever you want to solve the problem. --LiquidTalk 14:58, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
Okay then. I'll just make that list here. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 15:29, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
Okay, list is below. At least, part of it. Let's focus on BoD first. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 15:56, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
On a side note, just did In Search of the Myreque. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 06:32, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
And Fishing Contest. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 11:45, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Support 2 and 3 - Per Smithing --Touhou FTW 13:15, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - We should focus on ROTM now. When that is over, we have a few quest-free weeks to rewrite other stuff. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 15:33, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

RFC - No discussion for twelve days, no concrete proposal or volunteers to rewrite our guides. No point in this staying open any longer. Ronan Talk 16:16, September 23, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, at least Suppa and I are doing it. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 16:19, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
  • Closed. There is consensus to implement #2 and #3 - sorry to those who were still using this forum, please move your planning to a user or project page. ajr 16:22, September 23, 2011 (UTC)


Yes check.svg = Good - well written, no bullet points, references to in-game dialogues/events, etc.
OK = Average - lacking either good writing, images, explanations of in-game events/dialogues, etc.
X mark.svg = Not good - quick guide.
GQ = Guide quality.


Master

Quest GQ
A Clockwork Syringe Yes check.svg
Back to my Roots OK
Blood Runs Deep X mark.svg
The Branches of Darkmeyer Yes check.svg
Catapult Construction X mark.svg
Contact! X mark.svg
The Curse of Arrav OK
Deadliest Catch Yes check.svg
Dealing with Scabaras X mark.svg
Desert Treasure X mark.svg
Do No Evil (on the edge of Yes check.svg though) OK
Dream Mentor X mark.svg
Forgiveness of a Chaos Dwarf X mark.svg
Glorious Memories X mark.svg
Grim Tales X mark.svg
King of the Dwarves Yes check.svg
Legends' Quest X mark.svg
Love Story Yes check.svg
Monkey Madness X mark.svg
A Mourning's Ends Part I OK
A Mourning's Ends Part II - The Temple of Light X mark.svg
The Prisoner of Glouphrie Yes check.svg
Regicide X mark.svg
Rocking Out (this only needs bullet points removed) Yes check.svg
Roving Elves (just on the edge of X mark.svg) OK
Swan Song ("after some conversation" « omfg explain!) X mark.svg
The Temple at Senntisten (once again on the edge...) OK
Within the Light X mark.svg

Grandmaster

Quest GQ
Nomad's Requiem (tolerable, only section 1 is good) OK
The Ritual of the Mahjarrat (let's make a good guide immediately, a rewrite will be lots of work) X mark.svg
The Void Stares Back X mark.svg
(heck no »»»)
While Guthix Sleeps
X mark.svg