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This thread was archived on 1 October 2011 by Liquidhelium.


Below are my proposals.

  1. Remove official descriptions from quest articles. They are simply unneeded, and there already should be a more encyclopedic or better description of the quest in the lead section. I thought the point of the quotes was to explain things in a way that could not be explained in other words. This section quite simply looks bad, and is unnecessary.
  2. Remove reward scroll images from quest articles. Same thing as above. This is quite simple unnecessary, considering that there is already a list of rewards below the image which should be as, or even more detailed than in the image.

Of course, the should not apply to articles until proposals are meant to be with the restriction that the articles have a lead with the quest's description, or they include a list of rewards below the image, in my opinion general. Smithing (talk | contribs) 19:17, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Let me expand on this. The removal of this means less article bytes, and less time to scroll down to the walkthrough section etc.
I want one thing to be considered about the first proposal. Would you want to read an inferior version of an article when there is a superior one above it? Probably not. The thing is, we have our guidelines/policies on how to write articles, but Jagex is not affected to these policies/guidelines. This means that they might write their description in a non-neutral way etc., and this could be a problem considering that we could easily write ours in a way the community finds is better.
Finally, I'd like to say images aren't exactly the most reliable source. For example, the quest may have received updates since the image was uploaded, the image could have been photoshopped, or it could have been taken on a private server etc. I would not generally use them to try and determine whether or not a piece of data is correct or incorrect. Smithing (talk | contribs) 02:30, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

Neutral 1, Oppose 2 - The official description doesn't do much we cannot do ourselves. However, I like the quest reward scroll image. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 19:26, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

I don't look at the rewards image to see the rewards, it's more efficient to look at the list beneath it. I look at it because it gives the article a more complete feel to it. Heck, I just finished the quest, I want to see the scroll! svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 03:17, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose both - The official description helps take up space between the first header and the quest walkthrough box. I see no reason to remove it, we use the official quest difficulty and official quest image in the infobox too. I like the reward scroll images, they're helpful when there are discrepancies over the correct rewards. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 19:38, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose both - Both have a purpose. Per above. 222 talk 01:53, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Neutral 1, Oppose 2 - I couldn't care the least about Jagex's description, but I like my quest scrolls for no particular reason. I'm so used to seeing them at the bottom of quest articles, that if the guide doesn't have one, or it lacks transparency, I nerd-rage. Hofmic Talk 06:32, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose both - The official description is part of the quest. I could vouch for having it put in the quest details template though. The reward scrolls are handy and we're used to them. And seriously. Who would photoshop a reward scroll to tell people they get less/more QP or xp in a skill? -.- User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 17:26, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose both - They play an integral part in quest guides for me, and I've grown extremely accustomed to seeing them there. I wouldn't like to see them go. Ronan Talk 17:42, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose both - Unnecessary is merely up to the user's interpretation of a function, the information is official and thus is part of the questline and should stay. Smuff [The cake is a lie] 17:48, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Neutral 1, oppose 2 - Sometimes the rewards listed are not identical to what is on the scroll such as on Heroes' Quest, the scroll lists the experience as 1 reward whilst the list below gives all 12. What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 19:27, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose both - per aboveto my talk page! King TALKWer den König nicht ehrt, ist nicht Lebenswert. 00:13, September 27, 2011 (UTC)\

Neutral 1, Oppose 2 per above. Attack Ancient Fofo Slayer 01:47, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose both - As far as I'm aware there is no policy to say an official description has to be included (If I'm wrong my point is pretty much invalid). They often are included if no other description is available, but as such are open to any editor replacing them with something more suitable. They may also say something in a way that describes the quest better than a standard introduction, and since it is clearly shown as a quote neutrality and specific style is not actually needed. I certainly don't see a need to outright ban their inclusion.
As for the second point, they provide an an appropriate ending illustration that is constant across all quests. I agree that they are not needed for citation, but they still add to the article in a way the reward list alone cannot. --Henneyj 02:31, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Crossed out irrelevent bit, but I do feel it should be a case by case discretion rather than a stricter policy. --Henneyj 13:24, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose both - If it ain't broke don't fix it. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 02:50, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose both - Per above. [1] N7 Elite (Ready to talk now?) 02:53, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Support |Oppose - Yay, this is cool! You're my best friend. |No. It sounds bad enough to me... (EDIT CONFLICT ****)(TWICE!!) --中亚人/中亞人 (Chinasian/Jeffwang16) 跟我谈话 02:54, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

...what? Suppa chuppa Talk 03:03, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
You don't need to be mean to Smithing. </3 svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 03:07, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
I agree with Zam. That was completely uncalled for. O_o [2] N7 Elite (Ready to talk now?) 03:19, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose both - Scrolls are solid evidence that the reward is as given... What if a pure comes on here looking for a quest that offers no defence exp, to find a quest that could of been vandalised to have it's def exp reward removed? There'll be alot of pissed off people if that happens. This is a pointless idea RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 14:56, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

This example is a bad one as Jagex does not support pures, which means we don't. Or at least, not extravagantly. And seriously. Why would anyone not want to have defence xp? It's a horribly handy skill! Smile But yes, I do agree with you. Just change "pure" to "player". User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 14:14, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
Nor do they oppose pures... Pures are players too, how would you feel if you messed up many many days/weeks of working on a pure account because someone vandal'd a page on the wiki? Let's put it this way, my house would go up in an atomic bomb cloud. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 17:46, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
M-m-mess up? N-no... help... Xp is g-good... User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 18:25, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose 1, Neutral 2 - The official description may be cheesy or boring but it is the only official description there is, making our own could lead to non-NPOV and complete removal would make it... well... short-description-less. As for the scroll image, I really couldn't care either way. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 19:26, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - The quest articles will not be changed. --LiquidTalk 00:38, October 1, 2011 (UTC)