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This thread was archived on 2 April 2012 by Thebrains222.

Something I've noticed while watching Recent Changes in the last few days, is that quite often anonymous editors seem to spot something wrong with an article/drop table item/etc and try to correct the mistake/omission, and (likely, no real fault of their own) have their edits mistaken as vandalism and reverted.

Couple of examples Anon edit to Gnomeball mound, when I saw it I thought "omission, I'll give him a chance to fix it, and see if I can see any other references to this been true", another editor thought (and I don't blame the assumption) vandalism & Sentra understood the intention and was bold and helped the anon out.

Another example, a different anon made an edit saying Onyx bolts were dropped by Dark beasts, they really tried to get the template right, but failed, they then reverted their edit, but in the process also deleted the |} at the end of the table. I didn't add it in with correct template because I was pretty sure it didn't look right, and also thought it could be an RDT item.

So, something I thought up, instead of stopping Anons from editing (which would be bad!) is to propose that somehow we add a message to above the edit screen to the effect of:

Thanks for editing The RuneScape Wiki, we appreciate your assistance in adding or correcting parts of this article. If any of what you see is cryptic to you, or you don't know how to make the change read the wiki's (Link here with text "editing tips and tricks") page, or ask an editor for help/let us know on this (Link to Talk: page with newsection param with text: "page's talk page").

Ideally it could also be shown to say non-autoconfirm'ed users too, but the basic reasoning behind this is to:

  1. Help new editors/anon do what they want from get go
  2. Don't turn off people that are trying to do the right thing by instantly reverting their edit (as was pointed out to me rightly today, Assume Good Faith)
  3. Don't turn away corrections from the public that go "What The???" at the editor interface and close the page.

As for displaying said message (or alternative message with same gist), at the moment if you are creating a new page, a helpful box comes up saying: "You've followed a link to a page that doesn't exist yet. To create the page, ...." if we can somehow utilise that feature for this, and maybe a slightly different colour to draw more intention, I think it would be the perfect medium. Thoughts? Comments? Is this even an issue (I think it is, but others might not)? --RSDaftVader 10:28, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion

Support - as nom --RSDaftVader 10:28, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Support - I remember starting out as new editor on Wikia, not knowing any of the syntax. Back then, there was the Monaco skin with editing help to the left of the editing box (collapsible). This really helped me getting started learning the syntax for text effects on the wiki. I think adding such a notice (should also be collapsible) would really be great to help users get started. The only problem I can think of is that we need to find a way to find out if the page has certain templates on it which would need instructions. We could use categories and an API page using JavaScript for that, or maybe use DPL and a MediaWiki page, but we would need to add a category for each template that would need an instruction.
PS: Please don't use "w/" in your proposal. It looks a bit as if you don't care enough to type out the whole word, and it makes it harder to read your proposal. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 10:56, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, it's force of habbit from over many years, I've replaced the "w/"s.
For the new help page, I was thinking of a cross between Style guide and Help:Editing, and as you have suggested, references to various common templates used. --RSDaftVader 11:32, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Good way to get anons to not be as confused when they try to edit. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 08:15, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Support - No reason not to. Matt (t) 08:38, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Even now I have a Wikia user account, I am greatly unsure of the many of tools used to edit. This is mainly due to the fact that I dont edit very often. This proposal would be a great help to anonymous editors and new/upcoming editors alike. Raglough 22:01, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Per above. Youdead0019:55, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Even though all this stuff might not appear very complicated to the more experienced editors, it sure can do to less experienced ones. This will hardly hurt.
By the way, maybe a link to RS:UH might be useful as well.-Hourglass (2011 Hallowe'en event) detail.png I Am Me Talk III The Spark.png- 12:03, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Support - I agree it is much harder to learn editing conventions or even know what you're editing with pages that are complicated beyond a few internal links. I made a relatively small error with my sig previously and had what I felt was a somewhat harsh reply when I did ask for help. Directing anons to a help page similar to RS:SIG/R would be hugley beneficial providing the response is given tactfully. cqm talk 00:59, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - Forum:Drops submissions script HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 01:52, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Would have helped a lot to know where to go when I was new. I didn't know what to do so I looked at other pages' code and asked random people for help and some of the time, they didn't know either. It would be nice to show new editors how to get help. --Touhou FTW Zaros symbol.png 10:11, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Support - This sounds like a great idea. I'm sure plenty of people will benefit from this. Full slayer helmet.png Axela40 Slayer-icon.png 14:51, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - I just remembered Cook mentioned a poll (which was lost) that said something like most editors start out as anons. Anon help should be a major focus if it's still true. cqm talk 02:48, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Question - Exactly what did you have in mind, and how would the technical aspects work? --LiquidTalk 21:47, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Notice of intent - Someone needs to produce a working version of this idea by the end of next week, or show a genuine effort to work on this, otherwise this thread will be closed as "lack of interest". 222 talk 04:08, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Closed - Lack of interest. There is consensus to pursue this proposal though, so if anyone digs this up in the future, feel free to make a thread to implement this idea. 222 talk 11:19, April 2, 2012 (UTC)