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This thread was archived on 20 March 2013 by Joeytje50.

I firmly believe that we should not have pronunciation keys for real words. In my opinion, we should only be providing pronunciation keys for words that Jagex has made up. That's not what this is about and I just want to make this clear.

This forum is about a little idea of switching over to IPA for those words where we do provide pronunciation keys. This would involve "stealing" Wikipedia's help page as well as their template for use here.

Truly, I have no strong opinion either way, but I thought I would throw this idea out there; so ummmm here's a couple arguments:

ex: Zamorak; Zam-oh-rack → /zæm'oʊræk/

  • For
    • Internationally accepted
    • Removes any possible disagreement due to accents, etc.
  • Against
    • We're afraid of weird letters
    • Any confirmed pronunciation keys are done phonetically
      • (I will argue that this is a silly reason to oppose, though)


Discussion[edit source]

Neutral/Modest support - hi MolMan 14:28, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Support - Let's just have both. I.e. phonetic English ("zam-oh-rack") and the IPA pronunciation. And yes - only Jagex words should have pronunciation (I don't care if people pronounce 'visage' the same as 'envisage' even when it's wrong - we aren't English class. For the record though, 'visage' rhymes with 'massage' and 'envisage' rhymes with 'carnage'). User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 16:55, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Comment - Do we know the exact IPA for words like Zamorak? Putting it down phonetically is obviously a little subjective (eg a Russian user might interpet Zam-oh-rack differently), so IPA would be better - but what is the source for the IPA translation? If we're just taking the phonetics from Jagex and thinking of IPA that fits it then that's kind of the opposite of what we want... Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 19:59, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

I assumed a British accent for my IPA translation. MolMan 20:02, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
If we have to make assumptions then I Oppose. We're an encyclopedia, we don't make assumptions - we take everything straight from the source. If Jagex only gives us phonetics, then we use those. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 06:16, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Oppose - We don't know the definite accent for the IPA, but if we do assume it to be British, there is a strong possibility of users of other countries changing it to fit their accent. Just look at flooring, and the amount of times it's been changed to American style. It's also not that essential or quite frankly interesting. The cons just outweigh the pro(s) in my opinion What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 23:04, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Comment - Why? (lol). HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 07:13, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

jy3X5NF.png MolMan 18:38, March 18, 2013 (UTC)
Well that certainly added a lot to the discussion... Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 13:35, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
Support. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 15:27, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
--Iiii I I I 02:10, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Oppose - There's no citable basis for IPA pronunciations, and there have been incidents of different pronunciations of names between different JMods, preventing videos being used as a source. cqm 19:02, 18 Mar 2013 (UTC) (UTC)

Comment - I still don't truly care about the outcome, but words may have multiple accepted pronunciations. So long as we don't have tens. MolMan 02:47, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

What exactly are you trying to say? I don't understand. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 16:31, March 20, 2013 (UTC)
What does it sound like I'm trying to say? MolMan 20:30, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Withdrawal - Hi, all. Thanks for the input. After what I've read here, I'm feeling less inclined than before that we are ready for (even needing of) this conversion. MolMan 20:47, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Closed - Nominator withdrawal. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 20:52, March 20, 2013 (UTC)