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This thread was archived on 7 November 2011 by Thebrains222.


This thread should not be here right now, it should have been created when all the portal pages were complete; however, I honestly do not know whether or not the effort myself and other users put into the portals will ever be seen by our readers. This thread is both an appeal to the community to help finish the last one-third of portals that are still incomplete and a search for consensus on what to do next, when, if these pages are completed.

In January, Ajraddatz proposed that the wiki enable the Portal: namespace. The thread passed with unanimous community support within 2 weeks. Forum:Portal pages part 2 was then created to formulate ideas for this Portal namespace. After a few months, we agreed on the general structure and content for the portals, and what portals were to be made. In early March, Chicken presented a structured list of portals that should be made. He received one piece of feedback. The thread remained dormant for a month, before Liquid failed to reinvigorate interest with a notice of intent. Chicken then promised to return "eventually" and complete it, and Sentra posted, saying that if people were "interesting" interested enough, the project may be completed and the thread was closed the next day. Already, the wiki seemed to have forgotten about the portals, or had at least adopted a "somebody else will do it" mentality.

For the next two months, I attempted to organise the project, and worked mostly single-handedly, with help from other users with images, and when some others managed to stumble upon the project. The lack of "mainstream" interest was highly disappointing. Eventually, in July I ran out of steam (possibly caused by leaving RuneScape), and the project was completely deserted, still with around 20 portals incomplete. I have to thank users such as Hofmic who helped out on some of the portals, reducing the incomplete number to around 15, and keeping them rolling through Recent changes.

A concerted effort by the community could get these remaining portals completed in under a week. There is hardly any content work that needs to be performed, the only in-game work would be taking 3 decent images for the sliders. All the other information is simply regurgitated from existing wiki content. Please help out by working on the unfinished portals as linked here.

Finally, what needs to be discussed? Well, we need to determine how the portals will be utilised after their completion, and how we can integrate them into the mainspace. Links in the expanded navigation bar are already being discussed, but other methods are also possible, including:

  • Adding small templates to articles that link to related portals as seen on Wikipedia.
  • Creating new templates at the top of articles that provide links to the portal and other related articles, again, seen on Wikipedia.
  • Feel free to discuss further ideas and add to this list

Cheers, 222 talk 06:39, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

Support induction of templates - Just like how Wikipedia does it, we need some sort of linkage to the corresponding portals, preferably at the top of the page. So, for [[Portal:Herblore]], we should make all herbs, potions, secondary items and any other similar related items link to this page. Perhaps the induction of all portal links on Runescape:Community Portal might help this cause further.

Just as a side note... Shouldn't Runescape:Community Portal be moved to Portal:Community? RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 14:57, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Yeh, I agree, there was also a discussion here. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 08:48, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Support template - I never would have known about wikipedia's portals either if they didn't have templates at the bottom of the screen. I initially ran into the portal project in the recent changes. I think there should be a small portal template at the bottom of pages related to that portal (eg, Guam, Herblore, and Herblore training would all have a {{Portal|Herblore}} template at the bottom. Hofmic Talk 15:35, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, just looked at the template linked in particular, I think the (far more common) Template:Portal would be a better choice (just as a mark of its use on Wikipedia, it's apparently used on 3.5 million pages there, which (percentage wise) is about the scope we'd expect to see our portals appear on. On a side note, pages that may appear in more than one portal should probably use either the template shown in the proposal, or just the single most prominent portal. eg, While Guthix Sleeps may have some aspects of herblore in it, but it should only have the link to the Quest portal on it (the Grandmaster quest portal?). Hofmic Talk 03:04, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Support - The userbox shaped template near the bottom of a page will work well in getting the portal pages used and the such. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 08:43, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Yes, it's sad when these things fall apart. Maybe I should revoke my statement that I'll return "eventually" to finish them :P The one Wikipedia uses is good; it'd work well here. We even have icons for each of the portals, so it's pretty much perfect. On Hofmic's comment about pages belonging to multiple portals, I think we should link to the most prominent. WGS should only go in quests. Another question: will this template go on EVERY article in the wiki? Even red bead? I think it should; every article should belong to a portal. If you can think of an article that doesn't belong, let us know! :) Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 08:19, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Looks good, just don't make it too large and obvious. Also, I'm gonna start an RfD for [[Portal:New updates]], for it is horribly outdated. Before I updated in in August, it still depicted the full release of the Lava-flow Mine... User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 13:41, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

It would have been far, far too difficult of a portal to keep up-to-date, anyway. We hardly have enough editors willing to keep the Update namespace up to date, let alone, portals. Hofmic Talk 00:12, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
I never liked it to begin with, as it conflicted with my "low-maintenance" strategy. 222 talk 05:19, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Support template, and I'll try to help out with making them as well. ajr 00:30, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

If you're going to do the portals, do it. I personally don't think they're that useful and that people will probably never use them. Either get them over with, or stop them, because it's not that difficult either way. It's not worth it to keep bringing this up. ʞooɔ 02:04, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

Kill portals - Sorry, I thought they were cool at first, but they have just failed. Per Cook - people will probably never use them, and adding a template would be like backtracking if someone is looking for something specific. The way wiki works doesn't allow us to use broad portal pages like these effectively. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 19:44, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support keeling of portals - I think I may have used them once, twice, or a maximum of three times. That said, I cannot say that I've ever found them remotely useful. Somewhat eyecatching if you have nothing to do, but otherwise rather useless. Ronan Talk 20:48, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose killing of portals - I think they could do at least a bit decent if people actually knew about them, which means we need to get those templates up. I don't really think that many people use Wikipedia's templates either, but they most certainly have their uses for those that do. Of course, ours don't have any use until we actually finish the portals and get templates out for them. Killing them before we even give them a chance doesn't help in any way. Hofmic Talk 06:31, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Let's see first - Let's just implement this template thingy and finish at least a few more portals. We'll see if they're being used. Otherwise, RIP. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 08:24, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think the portal templates will be used any more than categories. Why would they be? ʞooɔ 18:43, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose killing of portals - How can we say it won't work, or people haven't used them when they aren't even ready? The plan is to use them in a number of places, with the key place being in the Top Navigation of the Wiki. Right now, we link to categories from those links anyway. In response to Cook, categories are completely different to portals. Portals are meant to be a space where one can find all the info they need about a topic. There are useful lists, with links to the main information, articles and tools people need. Categories just show everything, no matter how insignificant. Also, if it does turn out portals receive little usage, so what? We don't need to go to any effort to frequently update them. We've already done just about all of them, and they are there for the people who do use them. I think finish the ones that are not done, then implement them. We can work on adding templates to articles later on, when we have a bit more manpower and support. In a couple of days, if there are a few portals that are still unfinished, just implement the ones that are done and we can work on them later. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 06:18, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I know what the difference is between a portal and a category, but what I fear (and what I was pointing out) was that these templates, at least the ones on Wikipedia, are about as flashy as categories, and are likely to be clicked on from the pages no more than the categories. I was not highlighting the structural differences between categories and portals, as we all know there are plenty. We should either go all-out and give these portals a bigger space on the pages, or shove them in the corner. A tiny little box at the bottom of a page won't do enough to advertise these. As for putting these in the navigation, the hitch is that we use the #Category:Items# trick that displays the most popular pages in that category. I don't see how we can do the same thing with portals in the navigation. Also, may I be the first to say that I really don't like using the slider in portals? It takes up a huge amount of space, often with very poor pictures, that would be better utilized with text, or at least smaller images. By all means try and popularize these, but don't do it halfway. ʞooɔ 06:36, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
Oh, sorry for the confusion. I think that the Portal boxes are a little more flashy than the categories, as they at least have a small image. I also think there should only be one portal per page, which will help make them more notable than the numerous categories for one page. I also fear the portal boxes will see little use, but even as a supporter of portals, don't think we should make the template any larger or more notable, or else it'd detract from the page.
I checked the Wiki Navigation and see what you mean about the #Category:Items# "trick". I guess it comes down to whether linking to the portals is more important then linking to some popular related pages below. I think the popular pages aren't much help, as there's a remote chance that people will find the popular page list useful. There should be away in which we can modify the main link, but still display the popular pages sub list below. I'm not a coder, so wouldn't know though. About sliders, I'm very 50/50 about it. I think they make the page interesting, but the images take time and sometimes are bad quality. I think we should keep them, but don't mind. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 07:00, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Notice of intent - Unless there is significant discussion by the end of this week this thread will be closed with the proposed templates being adapted and implemented. I'll explain how we'll add all the templates in the closing statement. Also, if I am lucky, the project might actually be finished soon. Only 5 portals left, links below. 222 talk 11:03, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

  • [[Portal:Skills]]
  • [[Portal:Strength]]
  • [[Portal:Thieving]]
  • [[Portal:Master quests]] Yes check.svg
  • [[Portal:Tasks]]
  • [[Portal:Money-making]]
Maaaake them! I'm held off creating the portal pages until templates are up, because if templates don't go up, the project will die and all the work would have been for nothing. I'd say scrap the items portal though, since nobody wanted to make it and you seemed fine with reducing the scope of the project or whatever before. Hofmic Talk 03:49, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - I seem to have forgotten about my own deadline here. The proposed templates will be created soon and hopefully added to pages by the end of the month. Because it would be extremely tedious to manually add individual templates to our 58,355 articles, I will attempt to start adding templates to pages using AWB based on the current category structure. Since the portals are nearly complete, I will also begin to roll out links on the navigation bar. Any further discussion regarding the portals should be redirected here. Cheers, 222 talk 10:37, November 7, 2011 (UTC)