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Player-owned farm, Anachronia Dinosaur Farm, Ranch Out of Time, Manor Farm, Farming Guild. A lot of different names for different locations and activities. It is time to trim the branches and get to the root of it. Should we have all player-owned farm information on player-owned farm? Should we split it per farm: Manor Farm and Anachronia Dinosaur Farm? Are Manor Farm and Farming Guild the same thing? I do think so. Are Anachronia Dinosaur Farm and Ranch Out of Time the same thing? Is one the location and the other the activity at the location? Let's get our hands dirty and grow some pages. I've branched out the different proposals below.

1. Player-owned farm central?

A. Player-owned farm should have the general information. Manor Farm and Anachronia Dinosaur Farm should have their specific information.

B. Both Manor Farm and Anachronia Dinosaur Farm have a paragraph about player-owned farm where they refer to player-owned farm by using the {{Main}} template. Player-owned farm has all the information centralised, but the information is split out per farm.

Discussion

B - Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 01:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

B(ish) - Should have a paragraph and maybe a small list/table of the animals that can be grown there (possibly collapsed). Depending on what the length of pof page becomes some detailed sections should maybe be subpages, with the important information on the pof page. The quick guide also needs to be reworked to match. Seers headband 2 chathead.png Elessar2 (talk) 09:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, we can just put it on a template or a subpage of pof and have it on both pages. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 12:38, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Half and half? - per elessar kinda - include a table with farm-specific animals/food/buyers/pens on each farm page, but with the pof paragraph and main link at the top of the section? Would be cleaner to have all the info on POF page i guess as to not to duplicate information. My only other concern is how much more this is going to bloat the POF page Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 18:09, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

2. Manor Farm or Farming Guild?

A. Manor Farm and the Farming Guild are the same thing. Keep on same page and rename the {{Farming Guild}} navbox to 'Template:Manor Farm' where all Manor Farm related information is found together, both player-owned farm and other Farming stuff (depending on proposals 4 and 5).

B. Manor Farm is the location and the Farming Guild is an organisation with its headquarters at the Manor Farm. Split into two pages.

Discussion

A - Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 01:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

A(ish) - The wording is weird because I'd say that Farming Guild is an organization that's part of Manor Farm, but don't think there's enough specific things to make it a stand alone page. Merge the navbox with Manor Farm but move all the Farming Guild specific things to a group in the navbox though. Some (Farming reputation) should also probably be on the ADF navbox as well. Seers headband 2 chathead.png Elessar2 (talk) 09:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Wiki uses British spelling, so it should be organisation, please don't change my comment to the wrong spelling. :P But yeah, the MF navbox would have their own groups for each thing, like a group for Farming Guild, a group for pof stuff, etc. Farming rep isn't specific to ADF though, the Farm requests are given and handed in at MF, so I don't know what ADF would get rep wise. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 12:38, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

A (but don't permanently exclude B) - A for now, but we should keep in mind that if the lore on the Farming Guild (organisation) expands in the future, we should be ready to re-consider option B My contributions Dalek SecTalk to me 09:41, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Sure, if needed it can of course be split off in the future. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 12:38, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Leaning B - Right now I'm not 100% sure which option is preferable - I think if the 'Farming Guild requests' get their own page, then it maybe Farming Guild should be just split off and have requests as a section of that. *Or* have farming guild requests as a subpage of Manor Farm. I think it would also be nice to have the guild page separate to be in line with other guild pages (bar the Prayer guild which is a poor excuse for a guild tbh) Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 18:09, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

3. Ranch Out of Time or Anachronia Dinosaur Farm?

A. The farm/location is called Anachronia Dinosaur Farm and the activity is Ranch Out of Time. Have the pages separate.

B. Both are one and the same thing. Ranch Out of Time should be changed into a redirect and its contents moved to Anachronia Dinosaur Farm as it's only called Ranch Out of Time in the achievement description of E-I-E-DI-NO and everywhere else it's called Anachronia Dinosaur Farm. This includes renaming the navbox and category using the proper name. Ranch Out of Time will also become an AKA on the page.

Discussion

B - Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 01:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

B - The location is Anachronia Dinosaur Farm, as per in game map etc, the activity is still pof. ROoT is just another name for ADF, so ROoT should be a redirect to ADF, nav box should also be ADF (but probably with a hidden ROot span or something). Seers headband 2 chathead.png Elessar2 (talk) 09:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Sure (re: hidden span). Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 12:38, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

B - My contributions Dalek SecTalk to me 09:41, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

B - tfw all the promo material isn't even what it's called in-game Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 18:09, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

4. Farm navboxes?

A. The player-owned farm navbox should have everything.

B. The farms should get their own navbox with their own specific information (NPCs, items/rewards, etc.), leaving the player-owned farm navbox with the general information about player-owned farm that both farms share.

C. The farms should get their own navbox with their own specific information (NPCs, items/rewards, etc.) as well as the shared player-owned farm pages, deleting the player-owned farm navbox. The shared player-owned farm pages have the navboxes of both farms.

Discussion

C - Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 01:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

B or C, strong oppose A - The size is already huge, almost doubling it is not an option. Seers headband 2 chathead.png Elessar2 (talk) 09:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

B or C, strong oppose A - As per Elessar My contributions Dalek SecTalk to me 09:42, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Comment - I just added A as an extreme option, I was rather more interested in seeing if people prefered B or C. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 12:38, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

B - In-line with the first proposal of this thread. Stops duplication of information across 2 navboxes Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 18:09, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

5. Animal navboxes?

A. Keep the animals together with the other player-owned farm stuff on the navbox, depending on proposal #4, so either on the player-owned farm navbox or on the navbox of the farm the animal belongs to.

B. Animals should be split off to new animal-only navboxes with each farm getting its own animal navbox.

C. Animals should be split off to one new animal-only navbox shared by both farms.

Discussion

B - Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 01:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

B - Animals in navbox per location, seperate from pof/adf navboxes, but they should still also have pof/adf navbox below. The pof/adf boxes should also probably have a link to get to animals. Seers headband 2 chathead.png Elessar2 (talk) 09:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

No, also adding the mf/adf navbox to each animal defeats the point of splitting it off. I don't want mf/adf to become the new music navbox. As for mf/adf navboxes having a link to the animals, we can just make a general animal page, possibly as subpage of pof which can be transcluded upon pof and the two farm pages. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 12:38, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
If i was to go to an animal page, there is a high likelihood I'd want to then traverse to another POF page (but not an animal), like buyers, rewards, or produce. Splitting up the navboxes that aren't even that big in the first place (in comparison to some others), and aren't likely (at least right now) to get any more content added, just makes traversing related content harder. Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 18:09, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

B - Seems the best option to me, especially in case either ever gets more animals (unlikely, but still has to be considered) My contributions Dalek SecTalk to me 09:41, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 12:38, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Strong support A, strong oppose B/C - Meaty navboxes are a nice, centralised place for all related info. Also unnecessary, as you're just adding a separate navbox to pages that would want the farm-specific navbox anyways. Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 18:09, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

6. Farming Guild requests?

A. Keep on Manor Farm/Farming Guild (depending on proposal #2).

B. Split off to its own page: 'Farming Guild requests'.

Discussion

B - Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 01:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

B - I think it will become big enough to warrant it's own page, it already almost is Seers headband 2 chathead.png Elessar2 (talk) 09:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

B - My contributions Dalek SecTalk to me 09:41, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Other, soft oppose B - per my comment on #2, would rather not requests have their own page. However, I would prefer/support them being a subpage of either Manor Farm of a split Farming Guild page (preferably the latter). Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 18:09, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

7. Farming reputation?

A. Add Farming reputation to the various Farming infobox templates, e.g. {{Infobox Seed}} and {{Infobox Animal}}.

B. Do nothing.

Discussion

A - Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 01:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

A - Add it as a line below xp in that section, or as () after/below the xp. Seers headband 2 chathead.png Elessar2 (talk) 09:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

I think as a separate line is better. Is more clear imo. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 12:38, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

A - My contributions Dalek SecTalk to me 09:41, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

A - hell yeah Star Talk ayy lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 18:09, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Closed For each proposal in turn:

  1. - there is consensus for the Manor Farm and Anachronia Dinosaur Farm pages to contain a brief description of player-owned farm and a list of that farm's specific content. General pof information should be located centrally and be linked to using {{main}}. There is some concern about the size of the pof page, which may need to be split out using subpages.
  2. - there is consensus for option A.
  3. - there is consensus for option B.
  4. - there is no particularly strong feeling here, but star does make an argument about keeping consistency with the first proposal and avoiding duplication which is logical. Therefore I determine that option B should be implemented in a way that is consistent for the implementation of the first proposal.
  5. - there is consensus for specific navboxes for the animals for each farm, these should be split out from per farm navboxes above.
  6. - there is support to split Farming Guild requests from the current page. It is unclear to me whether the proposal is for this to be a page titled "Farming Guild requests" in the mainspace or a subpage of the current page. In light of the consensus for the current page to be titled Manor Farm, this may need to be discussed again if there is disagreement about how to implement the split.
  7. - there is consensus to implement this.

Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 21:50, 10 January 2020 (UTC)