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I motion we ban user "Cudavid" from our Clan Chat per continuous racism and trolling. He has numerously used racist slurs and acted inappropriately against other users. He went as far as trying to convince Bonzi that he's lying about his nationality. He has been kicked numerously for such behavious, by myself four times. I think that he has had enough chances to stop acting that way.

Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 23:53, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

His latest act:

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Other images:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/554/cudavid1.png

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5886/cudavid2.png

Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 23:58, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Temporarily replaced with smaller image Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 00:08, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

And Everdnece.png Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 00:00, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

Support - As nominator. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 23:53, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Ughh he is not funny and i got some more images Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 23:56, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Support Post them here,per above, 3 kicks from me-- Defence Waterkunai1 Talk # fluffy bunnies[[File:Armadyl Symbol.png|25px]] 23:57, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Support—He seems to delight in trolling our cc. I've seen him want to tell anti-Semitic jokes in the cc. When those in the cc expressed outrage, he offered to pm his jokes instead. Horsehead Talk 00:01, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Support - I'm not in the CC with him much, thankfully, but what I've seen is pretty constant trolling. He's had enough chances. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 00:03, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and his wiki username is Davidcu96. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 00:08, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - And he was trying to start a flame war with me -.- and he called me crazy also his jokes are not funny let take a quote from a song

Who does he think he is

Fall Out Boy Thnks fr th Mmrs

Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 00:03, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Support - He, in my opinion, is a very rude individual with no respect for others. Between his racism, snide remarks, and "your mother"ing, I've had it up to here with him. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 00:04, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Neutral Per everything. Sure, he is disruptive and adds nearly nothing to chat, but he is pretty new, so as Max said, he's too new to know. I suggest we just keep him on parole/watch and kick when he starts acting as he did in the screenies. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 02:22, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Support - per my pictures. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 00:29, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Changed to two month ban - And when it is over, I would like him to have cleaned up his act so we do not have to go through this again. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 20:26, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I'd like to hear his side of it, if only for the lulz. WWTDD? 00:04, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Also, just minutes ago, Cudavid impudently decided to announce to the whole chat that he was going to test whether a word was censored or not. Immediately after he urged, "Don't kick me for saying this," he said it. He was basically asking to be kicked. Why not test it in some secluded area or in your own chat?  Tien  00:05, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Extremely Strong Oppose - Hi I'm cudavid and I don't wanna be banned  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Davidcu96 (talk) on 2009-09-26 00:27:26.

Well the do not troll and apologize Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 00:29, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
If you would like to not be banned, please state a good reason. When I asked you for one in game, your responce was that you liked pie. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 00:31, September 26, 2009 (UTC)


this maybe a little of topic but who is "hugs for twigy yay"? -cudavid  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Davidcu96 (talk) on 2009-09-26 00:35:50 (UTC).
I might just tell you i am Man tag1 Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 00:37, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
If you don't want to be banned, then why do you continuously say things that are likely to get you banned, even after you've been given numerous warnings?  Tien  00:42, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Comment:mmm... 76king isnt against the rules.. =P-- Defence Waterkunai1 Talk # fluffy bunnies[[File:Armadyl Symbol.png|25px]] 00:17, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

I c wut u did thar. However, it wasn't the main point. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 00:47, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per screenies. You can see his trolling behavior an his bad taste in jokes. Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 00:51, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Support2 month ban - Most of the above discussion was a disagreement, and I totally do not agree with his side at all, but he has the right to do what the game allows, and defend it, since Jagex won't try to stop it. If there are other screenies of him being rude and trolling I can move to a perm ban stance. But even two months might be enough. No one gets life in prison for robbing a corner mart.--Degenret01 00:55, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

I was too hasty.--Degenret01 01:57, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
These are just the pictures that we have, but he is like this all the time. I rarely see him do anything in good faith in the cc. There is no good reason to keep him there. However, I may be pushed into supporting a 6 month ban, but I would like to see how things go for a bit. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 00:59, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
both are you serious? How about a 1 week ban?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Davidcu96 (talk) on 2009-09-26 01:01:55 (UTC).
With all due respects, one week would be way too short of a sentence. 2 months is still lenient, in my opinion. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 01:05, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
Stelercus, you are saying that I have a different opinion than everyone else should not state it, correct? I don't think that these screenshots show anything bad.
I have no idea what you just asked. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 12:13, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Though in clan chat I have not noticed this, these screenies have changed my opinion.. and whats with the off irrelevant question Cudavid... and you should get a signature (no offense) Til you have a signature you can just provide a page link to provide identification.--Cheers, Off-hand ascension crossbow.pngYodaAscension crossbow.png 01:09, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Signing with ~~~~ works with or without a template signature like most have. So David, you need to sign with ~~~~ Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 01:11, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
Strong Support - Dammit, edit conflic. Anyway, if it helps in making a decision for anyone, the word that Cudavid said that Tienjt mentioned was a misspelled version of "douchebags". Myself, I am sick of his trolling, just like everyone else...and I'm not even ON with HIM that much! 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 01:14, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
excuse me but i asked first If i could check if it was censored. ANd all i did was check it wasnt directed at anyone98.169.65.213 02:01, September 26, 2009 (UTC)


Ultra Strong Support I have to agree with everyone. The user does not belong in our cc. I propose we ban cudavid from the wikia as well [email protected] 01:30, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Blocks don't work like that. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 01:36, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Neutral - To clarify- according to a trustworthy mod I know, at least -MMG did actually say 76K-ing was allowed. Just my speculation, but I assume it's because either they would get far too many reports, or that they just don't disallow it.

From the images provided, I can't help but think that Cudavid was provoked for at least some of the time. I mean, saying "Trolls don't get anything" is rather rude, D4K. However, Cudavid's lines of "Shut up dumb noobs" and "Am i talking 2 four year olds?" doesn't really help either.

I saw no evidence of any racism in the images above, and when I've been in the chat, he has semed just fine to me. I think that we should at least let him try to shape up before dealing any ignoration. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 01:36, September 26, 2009 (UTC) (Edit conflict)

Support temporary ban - They definitely need some time away from the clan chat; however, if we lifted Karl West's ban after she did a lot worse trolling then this definitely isn't worth a permanent ban. Andrew talk 01:50, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

I was too hasty. Andrew talk 04:29, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per the above. I find it VERY difficult to assume good faith with Cudavid from my past experiences with him in the CC. I like goatsFunky Town50(Talk)Fav wep! 01:55, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I don't think that I have ever seen Cudavid in the cc, and purely based on the pictures people have posted he doesn't seem as bad as everyone is making him out to be. The first image seems to be the worst since he is meaning to be insulting (unlike in the other pictures), yet I don't feel that it is a block-worthy offence.

In the second image Cuda seems to come out the best of the two sides since he did not go hostile and start insulting people. People called him a troll, accuse him of lying, accuse him of breaking the rules as well as questioning his mental capacity and all he says in return is "am I talking to 4 year olds". While he didn't handle the situation in the best possible way, I don't feel that he should be penalised for it.

The third image seems completely based on lack of knowledge of the process of getting a rank. And while he should not have put down Jack to justify himself, it is definitely not ban worthy offence.

The fourth image is just a failed joke, where he probably was not meaning to be offensive. He made one bad judgement. That is definitely not ban-worthy. Nothing he has done in the images seems to have justified the overwhelming support for his ban. I feel that I must be missing some vital bit of information here. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 02:34, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

They left out what they said to me! I was framed!  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Davidcu96 (talk) on 2009-09-26 13:33:07 (UTC).

Support - Apart from those screenshots, I have heard complaints about his behaviour from friends PMing me (I can't remember specifically who it was, however). I think I have met him once in the clan and he was not at all pleasant to be around. He continuously demands a clan chat rank despite not demonstrating any of the qualities needed for one ("I deserve a rank way more than jack, he's new!" - taken from one of those screenshots. Just for the record, Jack has been on the wiki a lot longer than Cudavid and has made more positive contributions.), and according to several others, commonly makes racial remarks within the CC. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  05:24, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

YOu know I was kidding right? Jack is my friend, ask him if I should be banned.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Davidcu96 (talk) on 2009-09-26 13:33:07 (UTC).

Support - Although never witnessing these incidents, the screenshots are pretty damning stuff. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 10:15, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

They left out the stuff they said to me for a reason, so yes it is. Good job forging evidence. Davidcu96 13:31, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
From what I see, that was you participating in the conversation. Unless you're disputing the fact that you said the above, you shouldn't be accusing others of forging evidence. C.ChiamTalk 13:42, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
Im not saying that it was forged. Yes i did say all of that, but they left out some more things that i said. Im just sayin that you need to see it to make a decision Davidcu96 13:45, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
Good job forging evidence. Davidcu96 13:31, September 26, 2009 (UTC) Anyway, could you explain exactly what type of text was missed out, the screenshots seem to show the full conversation. C.ChiamTalk 13:49, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
The whole Clan Chat stating that you did, in fact, troll and were racist, is as much evidence as screenshots. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 13:47, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
I dont see anything in the screenshots that are racist or mildly offensive  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Davidcu96 (talk) on 2009-09-26 14:05:15 (UTC).
I remember you asking if you could tell a joke about Jews. I have a screenshot of that, but I have not found it yet. I also trust the other users here that have stated that you are like that frequintly, though that is the only instance I have seen. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 14:13, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
David, why does it matter what we said? This thread is about you. You seem to be implying that when you trolled the clan chat, we trolled you back.  Tien  14:23, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
I was asking, i never actually told one. I asked to see if anyone would get offended by it  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Davidcu96 (talk) on 2009-09-26 14:36:54 (UTC).

Strong oppose Based on the evidence here, I don't think Cudavid even did that much wrong, let alone anything to warrant a permanent ban (or even a kick), and actually I think it's ludicrous even to talk about such things. Cudavid is a relatively new user, and this is hardly making him feel welcome. To take these cited screenshots in order:

  1. Saying "shut up dumb noobs" is rude, and should not be encouraged. However, this is one quote taken in isolation with no relevant context - there is nothing to suggest why he might have said this, and it may be that he had been provoked a few lines above. In any case, it's not like he kept on saying abusive things (which would make him a troll).
  2. Asking in the cc whether anyone wants to go 76k-ing (which as has been established is not against any rules, but is "not honourable" according to J-mods) is hardly asking to be called a failtroll (D4K), a leech (Chaos and Celtic) or to be kicked (Stelercus). I know some people have strong opinions about it (along with merch clans, which it was compared to), but that is all they are - opinions. You have no right to talk about permanently banning someone from the cc because they don't share your opinion on something that is within the rules of the game. And comparing 76k-ing to murder (D4k) is ridiculous. Cudavid should not have called other cc users "four year olds", I agree with that. D4K also had no right to call him a liar - you may doubt whether Cudavid asked Mod Mmg personally, but it is possible - even if he just read a quote from Mmg on the subject, it proves the same point about 76k-ing and the fact that it is within the rules. Calling someone a liar when there is no evidence to the contrary is unjustified, and only serves to inflame a bad situation.
  3. Clearly Cudavid did not know how cc ranks work when he had this conversation - he may do now, and if he doesn't then it is our job to explain it to him, or at least direct him to an explanation on the wiki. Newer users did not participate in the discussions we had, and do not necessarily know the conclusions. D4K takes another opportunity to call him a troll, presumably for previous conversations (since there is nothing to justify it here). I do not believe for a moment that Cudavid is a troll. Have you ever heard the phrase "Don't assume malice for what stupidity [or in this case ignorance] can explain"? People spend a lot of time saying "assume good faith" without actually thinking what it means.
  4. A "your mom" comment is immature, and infuriating to those with a little intelligence. Sometimes it's intended to be funny, but I don't think this is one of those times.

I know there are accusations of racist comments being made in the cc, but we would really need to see evidence to judge those. It is possible that they were intended as jokes if they were made at all, and whilst racist jokes should be kept out of the cc, newer users may well not be aware that we are a little more sensitive to potentially offensive content than many other clan chats. My conclusion? Cudavid and more established regulars in our clan chat have got off to a bad start, but I think we need to be more tolerant of newer users than we are of old hats who should know better. We have high standards, and we should be proud of that, but we should also be helping newer users to live up to those standards, not branding them as trolls if they are not there already. Yes, we should be clear if they do or say something that we would rather not see in the cc, but newer users do not know the rules and the etiquette as well as others do. Don't ban (and certainly not permanently), but help them to integrate. I don't see much of that spirit here, and that's really disheartening for those of us who are still optimistic enough to have an idealistic view of the wiki community. Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 15:18, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Max, just above your comment, cudavid admits that he asked if anyone wanted to hear a joke about Jews and wanted to see if anyone would be offended by it:
I was asking, i never actually told one. I asked to see if anyone would get offended by it
I don't see a lot of gray area in the willingness to engage in anti-Semitic behavior. Horsehead Talk 15:34, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
I trust veteran contributors' testimonies far more than some easily-forgable chat exempts. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 15:41, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
Oh and the "shut up dumb noobs" was utterly unprovoked, he just came in, said that, and left. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 16:27, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
They key word there was "joke", as in it isn't suppose to be offensive, and saying "shut up dumb noobs" was definitely provokedDavidcu96 17:57, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I would like to note that yesterday, while I was telling him to be carefull about what he says in the cc and that anything negitive he says at all will not be good for him for the time being, he said "Noobs" in the cc. I then asked him why he did this just after I had finished my lecture, and his reason was that he was trying to do the opposite of what I had told him. He is making an extra effert to be dificult, and he should not be able to enter the cc for the time being. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 16:36, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

It was a joke and wasn't directed at anyone. Davidcu96 18:00, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
You keep saying that, but just because it is a joke, that does not make it a good idea. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 12:18, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose per Leevclarke. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 18:09, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

(Errgh, Vista ate up my first two edits) Change to oppose - Per what Leev said, and per what I saw in the chat yesterday. Cudavid came into the chat and politely asked whether or not he was going to be blocked from the chat. An administrator told him to read the Yew Grove topic and not to talk or ask about it in the chat. Cudavid, not knowing how decisions are determined, having not been answered, and having already read the discussion, asked again. No one even told him the correct "We don't know yet". The admin then told him that he 'had been warned', and not to ask about it again. Excuse me, but whatever happened to welcoming new users with open arms? He's new, he doesn't completely know how things work, he was asking very valid questions, and people deal him hostility. I have yet to see one act of malice from him. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 18:53, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Comment—I don't understand how cudavid can continue to defend his willingness to engage in anti-Semitic behavior as people oppose his ban. Anti-Semitism is nothing if not malice. Horsehead Talk 19:27, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
I was asking, i never actually told one. I asked to see if anyone would get offended by it
They key word there was "joke", as in it isn't suppose to be offensive...
It was a joke and wasn't directed at anyone."
Omg dude how can i say this more clearly? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST JEWS AND AM NOT TRYING TO OFFEND THEM. What else do you want me to say? Davidcu96 19:43, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
I myself enjoy a range of jokes outside the wiki, many of them very offensive to various groups (some of which include me). This is not because I believe stereotypes, or think that it's right to offend people, just because I think they're funny. I do keep them away from the wiki (including the cc), and we should make it clear to new users that that is our expectation, but we shouldn't punish people for not knowing that by default. I think it's only fair to point that Cudavid did not even tell an offensive joke. He offered to tell a "Jewish" joke, but was told not to, and he complied with that. That doesn't imply that he is anti-Semitic. Anyway, I have had my say, so I will shut up now.  :-) Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 20:18, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Support I've seen enough =[ --Akthanakos camel chathead.png Karimabuseer Talk Azzanadra ghost.png 21:52, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose per Leevclarke. I don't get what's so bad about offering to tell an offensive joke and then not telling it after people tell you not to. Ffs, I've been kicked and treated like a lesser person for saying "That's what she said" or something of the sort in the clan chat, and nobody had to put me up on the YG. 22:22, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Support 2 month ban - per Degenret. Cudavid needs a serious amount of time away from the Clan Chat in order to realize that he has not been acting appropriately in the Clan Chat. However, anyone can change, for example, look at how Doucher4000 has changed since he was requested to be de-ranked. For this reason, a 6 month ban is an extremely long time, and forever is much longer. Still, if Cudavid continues this behavior following his temporary ban (however long it may be), a permanent ban shall be much more reasonable. Also, how do we plan to institute this ban when it passes? Making Cudavid a Kick-on-Sight? Thank you in advance to whoever answers this.--Mirror.png Mirror - Talk - Sign Raw fish-like thing.png 22:37, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

When a user is on another users ignore list, they are unable to enter that persons clan chat. This is how all bans are enforced. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 22:49, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
Well, I'm not going to be entering the cc for 3 days anyway because i have a big science project so that will give me some time away Davidcu96 23:14, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Based off the screenies, looks like an idiot and has some shaky RuneScape "morals", has a bad sense of humor, and is pretty annoying, but I don't think we should ban him/her. Some people are just natural idiots and we just have to ignore them. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 02:39, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

This is a little off topic, but the world's tallest bunny is 5 '3 ft tall. type in giant bunny on google.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Davidcu96 (talk) on 2009-09-27 03:02:44 (UTC).

Changed to neutral - per Chia, Lee and Jedi. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  02:59, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - It seems that I was not missing anything. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 05:10, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Its the wrong move here to ban him.--Degenret01 13:13, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Thanks for being on my side guys. Do any of you know why the words "Cont" are written in bord at the bottem? 18:48, September 27, 2009 (UTC)  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Davidcu96 (talk) on 2009-09-27 18:48:19 (UTC).

The section has gotten long enough to cause some users (including myself) lag when editing and/or an inability to save the page. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 18:54, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Cont

Secondary Proposal

As it looks like we will not be getting anywhere with the above proposal, we may be able to resort to this instead. This is a proposal to issue a warning in place of a ban.

As there have been several misunderstandings in the cc as of late, it is recommended to the user Cudavid that he refrain from any actions that can be interpreted as trolling, relevant situations including minor offensive statements with no aim or objective (mainly use of the word "noob."), attempting to tell jokes that may offend others (and not asking permission to when desired), or acting in bad judgement when rule breaking is possible. If he continues to act in such a way, he may be banned from the clan chat, be it temporarily or permanently

Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 18:54, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Support I think this is very reasonable, as it makes clear what kind of behaviour we expect from people in the cc, including avoiding potentially offensive jokes. Since this reinforces our rules and guidelines on conduct, I support this. I think it's important to put this unpleasantness behind us, and not hold it against Cudavid once the warning has been issued. Any further infractions might be another matter, but I am confident that this will be the end of it. Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 19:02, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per Max. Sure, Cudavid was acting immature, but I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that he didn't know we weren't a bunch of 1337-speaking people in a poorly organized chat. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 19:14, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per Max, Chaos Monk. 121.72.193.9 19:23, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, wasn't signed in :S Statistics.png Lvl 3 skils3 Choice! Talk~ Holiday Signup ~Hiscores 19:24, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Support - I guess this would work... So long as he sticks by it. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 19:30, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Feh. My empathy is kicking in. Poor guy, having everyone ganging up on him. :(. Well I'm supporting what seems reasonable considering what he's been doing. He hasn't done anything against me personally, but I suppose he should get a time out.  Panjy16  19:40, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Seems fair enough to me. ~MuzTalk 19:43, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Not giving him/her another warning, kicking on first sight. Add a link to RS:CC. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 21:50, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Huh? What does that mean? Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 23:34, September 28, 2009 (UTC)
Are you trying to say: "I am not giving him/her another warning. I will kick him on first sight, and I would like you to add a link to RS:CC to the proposal. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 00:11, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
Seeing as I can only express my own opinion, I deemed the extra bites unneccessary. And that means that if a user exhausts their supply of accidentall violations, they will not be given the benefit of the doubt. And I do not, and will not, tolerate racism under any excuse. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 02:57, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per all. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  03:42, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per Max. Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 04:26, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Support - per Max. Andrew talk 04:29, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per Max. - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 20:35, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Support, although can I make some slight changes to the warning? There are some grammatical errors that kind of distort the meaning (no offense). :) Butterman62 (talk) 21:01, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

list what they are below, and I will change them. Multiple people writing one thing does not always look good in the end. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 21:46, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
Well, the only major pressing thing is where it says, "If you continue to act the way you have been, it may result in a ban from the clan chat, be it temporary or permanent", because at first, you're talking in third person, and suddenly you switch the audience to second person, as well as other minor things, such as a less passive voice. I think it should be rewritten to say, "If he continues to act in such a way, he may be banned from the clan chat, be it temporarily or permanently" (by the way, the bolding is just where I've changed stuff; it's not for the actual warning). Butterman62 (talk) 23:52, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
kthx. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 01:54, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Comment Haven't we kinda already warned him just by having this entire discussion...???? Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 23:23, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, continuing this in any way is a waste of time now, he has read it and is aware of why some people are/were upset and he has said he will be more careful in the future. This is now simply an exercise in bureaucratic inefficiency, but it seems to be making some people happy to proceed this way. So it goes.--Degenret01 00:21, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Under Degenret's comment, I see no reason to keep this open any longer. shall we lock it up and put the above warning on his talk and move on? Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 01:54, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Closed - The user Cudavid should refrain from any actions that can be interpreted as trolling, relevant situations including minor offensive statements with no aim or objective, attempting to tell jokes that may offend others (and not asking permission to when desired), or acting in bad judgement where rule breaking is possible. If he continues to act in such a way, he may be banned from the clan chat, be it temporarily or permanently. C.ChiamTalk 08:16, September 30, 2009 (UTC)