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This thread was archived on 3 May 2010 by Degenret01.

Hello. A quick disclaimer: this is my first time trying to make a Yew Grove thread, so apologies if I've done anything wrong.

In the Clan Chat tonight, I experienced an issue with Djinn Mark, who was outright blantantly disrespectful to me, in calling me "kiddy" and "immature", trivializing me based on his idea of maturity, and proving although he's a rank he apparently doesn't have a clear idea of what the rules of the clan chat really are.

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I don't know if I was supposed to upload those, as I did, so in case someone removes them (feel free) I've put backups here and here .

Discussion

Basically, this was completely uncalled for attitude, and if you look at the page for the clan chat rules, the rule I was pointing out is stated exactly as such at the current time. I don't really know how you guys handle this sort of thing, so I'll leave the suggestions to the rest of you. Here's hoping I did this all correctly ;-; I am not vot, I am Melon! 05:37, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

For myself, I consider that to be simply childish and immature, certainly a temporary and/or permanent kick from the clan chat is in order. I've had similar kinds of verbal assaults myself, including some others who are regulars on this wiki chiming in.
This is behavior that should stop. --Robert Horning 05:45, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
Mark was just saying you were in mature...is it really verbal assault if he is telling the truth? You shoudl be happy to have someone willing to stand up and tell you you are in mature. Go Zammy! CHIPPYTalk¥Stats 05:53, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict with Chippy, Lucid)Frankly, I am surprised at that. I see two possibilities, both of which I find unlikely. First, Mark actually said that. Second, the image was altered. I'm going to have to say that the first seems more likely, and I find it very disappointing. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 05:57, May 2, 2010 (UTC) 
Chippy, I don't believe what I'm reading. How can you possibly say that? He requests that users speak in a language that he understands, per cc rules, and he is belittled? That's completely unfair. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 05:59, May 2, 2010 (UTC) 
I agree with TLUL. That is ridiculous Chippy. You're insulting Melon by saying it was CORRECT for Melon to notify him of this supposed immaturity, especially when Melon didn't do anything to be immature. Djinn is the one in the wrong here, not Melon; Melon actually knows the CC rules. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 06:08, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
Also, Chippy, your opinion isn't the truth. If you still think so, then you are high on yourself and inconsiderate to others' opinions and feelings. It is not true that Melon is immature; sure, you may think he is (for whatever reason, I do not know), but it is not a fact, it is an opinion. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 06:12, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

This isnt really a big problem as i see it i agree with chippy on this one there isnt anything wrong with giving you opinion verbaly on weither your mature or not Fire cape.png Lucid Savior Talk Abyssal whip.png 05:56, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

"That rule was never passed, kiddy." Most notably "kiddy." That's overboard.I am not vot, I am Melon! 06:00, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


Comment - Djinn/D4K was completely wrong and out of line, and needs to apologize to Melon. Melon did nothing wrong to deserve such insults. He was only explaining to Djinn what he should know, Rule #8 of the Clan Chat:

If a user asks you to stop using a language other than English, please do so.
While all users are invited to the clan chat of any language, English is the main language spoken by the majority of our users. If a user feels that the use of any other language in the clan chat is limiting his or her ability to participate in the conversation, you are asked to take it to another clan chat or private chat.
— Rule #8 of RS:CC

Melon was only asking that the users who were using whatever language that was to stop, as he has the right to. The users should have stopped and taken it elsewhere.

As for Djinn, I suggest he reads the CC rules over a few more times. It was rude, and for no apparent reason. Melon didn't deserve to be embarrassed and insulted. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 06:08, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I think Djinn should be give a firm talking to about how he talks to others and how not to call others name (kindergarten stuff, idk what that is for UK ppl). Even if he has an opinion on your maturity it should not talked about in a place for discussing matter for this wiki. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 06:14, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 06:19, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Also, this isn't the first time D4K has acted like a dick. RS:DBAN and RS:UTP go hand in hand. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 06:19, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

So is there any suggested action that should be taken because of this? Lil cloud 9 06:36, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
Well, for now (as the thread is rather early and undeveloped), I'll say Djinn deserves a good warning, and he should apologize to Melon for his rudeness. I'd support it if someone requested his rank be removed (again, I'm a bit hesitant to say it myself right now). Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 06:42, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
I support the de-ranking, this should not be tolerated. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 06:56, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
Why a de-rank over calling someone "kiddy"? I don't blmae him, Vot was being an annoyance all day.   Swizz Talk   Events!   09:55, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose de-ranking and Don't be dense - Mark. The usage of "immature" and "kiddy" appeared to be misjudgment and should have been dealt with by other users within the chat at the time of this occurrence (I may have been online during this back and forth routine). The No Asshole Rule may fit here as well depending on if Vot wants to expand on this conversation. While Mark has retained his rank since the previous discussions upon his actions (see Forum:De-rank doucher4000 and Forum:Proposal To De-Rank Doucher4000), he does know about the rules and quite possibly chose to either ignore them or has forgotten them since his last full time (more than a couple minutes due to previous flamewars in the CC) in the CC. While I do defend his rank, I do not wish to see this occur with anyone no matter if they are, or are not, ranked. Ryan PM 07:20, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

I was talking with another user, and in reflection, I think perhaps I was not entirely without fault, myself. I was somewhat taken aback at Mark's immediate retort ("Kiddy") and responded rather strongly myself. I sort of assumed that if I tried to talk to him or confront him about it, he wouldn't take anything more that I might have had to say to be of any value, considering he so quickly labeled me as immature. However, I didn't really give him a chance. This IS the first issue I've experienced with him, and I never really got to the point, to suggest an alternative to using foreign language in the wiki clan chat, that when interrupted, I come off as a hard ass/rank wannabe type. I hadn't asked him outright not to use the other language. I only explained the rule. A Yew Grove thread may have been overboard in it's own right, but I think it should stay standing for the time being to point out that there may be issues with the attitudes of some ranks, or at the very least, that they're not all up-to-date on the clan chat rules. I am not vot, I am Melon! 07:46, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

For clarity; the first screenshot starts at about the point i started talking. There wasn't any discussion between the two of us beforehand. I am not vot, I am Melon! 08:06, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Calling another user kiddie and then saying that they will be called as their maturity commands is not okay. Regardless of what nickname is used to hide it, the fact of the matter is that calling someone that is mean. D4k has been warned twice now for this kind of thing, and it needs to stop now. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 12:14, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - We should create another forum entirely for CC issues. There are so many of them, and they are all basically the same. Oppose per above. Ajraddatz Talk 13:14, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. I'll be creating a thread concerning this issue soon. Hopefully it'll be the final thread on the YG about the CC. Chicken7 >talk 13:24, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Seriously, enough with the de-ranking threads. They are always started by disgruntled users who (in most cases) deserved the kicks they got. --LiquidTalk 14:07, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

You are joking, right? Apparently you haven't read much of the thread. There was no prior discussion, and no argument thereafter. There was no kick, and it was the first thing I had said in a while. This was definitely completely out of nowhere and completely uncalled for.
Sorry, I did get too lazy to read it, since I assumed this was another de-ranking thread and all of them say pretty much the same things. Blush --LiquidTalk 14:11, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
No, Melon isn't disgruntled enough to bring up deranking, other users did that. And Melon, you've already said that you recognize you were at fault too, even if was uncalled for. Don't get so defensive unless you disagree with what you said now. Christine 14:32, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


Comment - Man can't we all just get along? Plus I think that everyone needs to seriously grow up. on both sides of the argument.... big whoop he said this he said that, a lot of you wikians tend to cry over small things and turn little stuff into something big. We all need to sit back and say to our selves "I'm not 5 years old, I shouldn't get upset if I'm called a name" and if you do get upset when called a name why don't you ask your mom to kiss your little self esteem boo-boo and put some neosporen and a bandaid on it.-----Just shrug it off if someone says something that doesn't even matter!!!! Ranged cape (t).png Mookie Merk Talk Rune crossbow.png 15:45, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

"Just shrug it off if someone says something that doesn't even matter!!!! " - Merk is right, we shouldn't take things so seriously.   Swizz Talk   Events!   16:20, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
Not to speak for Melon or anything, but he said at the top (and we all know) that he is new to the wiki. I think that perhaps he didn't understand the dynamic or function of the YG. We (very obviously) go Yew Grove-crazy here with topics about the CC, and it's spoken about in-game all the time, so I don't think he understood that topics are only made for serious and repeated violations. Aside from the kiddy comment, Mark didn't actually break a rule, because he and Chia weren't asked to go back to English. He admitted above that making a YG topic wasn't the right course of action ("A Yew Grove thread may have been overboard in it's own right"). Christine 16:43, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
im saying in general everyone needs to not take things so serriously if someone "disrepsects" you. everyone takes disrespect to every little thing. people just need to think to them selves "this stuff shouldnt bother me". idc if he makes a yg thread, he can do what he wants. Ranged cape (t).png Mookie Merk Talk Rune crossbow.png 17:20, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
I understand what you were saying, I wasn't trying to disagree. I don't, at all, actually. Sorry. Christine 17:26, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

comment- get over it, if you dont like it, insult him back or something...really didnt need to come to the yg unless you got blocked --

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17:27, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


comment- sorry for bold cant get it off..anyways i agree with mookie merk this isnt a big deal as i see it just simple name calling there is really a big offence from what djinn mark said and if he really took offence to what Djinn mark said then thats childish Fire cape.png Lucid Savior Talk Abyssal whip.png 17:47, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed Bold 19:23, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Closed Even the original propose acknowledges this incident is too minor and should not be taking up space on the Yew Grove.--Degenret01 00:49, May 3, 2010 (UTC)