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When I see a quest page, I often see an official quest image derived from the Game Guide. I wonder to myself if it should be replaced with our own images? Some official quest images just doesn't really represent the quest itself, lacking the action and excitement within it. Some examples are below. <gallery captionalign="left"> Black Knights' Fortress.jpg|Would rather have this where the cauldron is, when the player is about to drop the cabbage. Deadliest catch.jpg|Just talking? Wheres the action? Wheres the [[Thalassus]]? Fremennik Isles.jpg|Just a player standing among yaks. Wheres the Fremennik fighting the ice trolls alongside the player? Icthlarin's Little Helper.jpg|At least be inside the mazse where the player is in the flashbacks... Devious Minds.jpg|Wheres the [[Assassin]] killing people? Dream Mentor.jpg|Some fighting perhaps? </gallery>

What I suggest is we make our own image of a significant part of a quest (the climax preferably) and use it as the "official" quest image. More simpler quests with little action could use a nice image of talking to the quest starter (such as [[:File:Animal Magnetism.jpg|this]]).

Discussion

  • Support - As nominator. --Recent uploads SpineTalkGuest book 04:41, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Support, be bold - I don't think this really needs a discussion. Matt (t) 04:46, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Support - It does need discussion because every single quest guide uses the official Jagex ugly image - it is the norm. It probably looks very ugly to readers looking to do a quest. They open up the quest guide and the first thing they see is some ugly non-AA tiny image. Bleh, we can do better. One thing that concerns me will be the edit wars over which image accurately displays the quest. How will we solve that? sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 04:48, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - I was thinking about that. A climax would be debatable to more harder/complicated quests such as One Small Favour, WGS, The Branches of Darkmeyer, ROTM, etc. What I'm more concerned is these two individuals revert warring all over the place. I think file talks would be a good place to discuss such things. --Recent uploads SpineTalkGuest book 04:55, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

I find that offensive. Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 10:28, January 26, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not surprised. What on earth does it have to do with the discussion? Ronan Talk 16:35, January 26, 2012 (UTC)
Well, thank you... O_o I suppose we can just do a poll for every quest? User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 19:23, January 26, 2012 (UTC)
You're offended by someone saying that you revert war? Really? Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 20:42, January 26, 2012 (UTC)
I find that link offensive... --Henneyj 01:17, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
Seeing as quests are on average a monthly release is it so hard for some sort of selection process to be introduced? Once the shot is selected it is kept unless consensus decides otherwise. cqm talk 01:07, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Support - We can do MUCH better. This would be a much better image then [[:File:While guthix sleeps.jpg|this]]. Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 10:28, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Support - This is a positive move. As above, be bold. Raglough 13:27, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Support - BB should not be applied here though, this needs proper discussion. Ronan Talk 16:23, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Most of the images are outdated, such as :File:Hazeel Cult.jpg, which uses the old dragon sword image, and [[:File:Icthlarin's Little Helper.jpg]], which uses the old graphics for the Sphinx What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 16:40, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Support - meh and ^ Pink Floyd Talk page Vandalize my sig
Guestbook My blatant violations of AGF
Oil4 I made this 17:03, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Strong support - Firstly, I agree this isn't something RS:BB applies to, as while we don't have any official policy for this specific image, it's been long since accepted by tradition that it would be the official image, even if only mentioned on the template page and nowhere else. At any rate, the official images are often outdated, ugly, and useless. The image was supposed to be the first thing the user sees, and should signify the quest, but most of the time, we just get some very random player standing in an equally random location that often is of little significance to the quest. It's likely implied, but I'd also like to point out that the image used there should be no larger than the current size. We don't need another massive image on every quest page, some which are still bloated with useless cutscene images. Hofmic Talk 19:08, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and concerning the edit wars, I'd much rather see some people grow up. If there all superior image wasn't shown because some other user(s) thinks theirs is better, and they're willing to war for it, just let it be. Almost any image would be an improvement over the Jagex images we currently have, and just accepting that and letting it rest would benefit the community the most. And for those without common sense, we could just enforce RS:3RR stronger. Hofmic Talk 19:15, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Weak Support - This is particularly significant seeing as the game guide no longer provides these images, so official images feel less official to me. I don't think it's particularly important, however, and I actually some some of the examples in the proposal. It's certainly for the best, although I don't have confidence in people's humilty when it comes to choosing an image. --Henneyj 01:17, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Conditional support - Can we just not call them "official" images? --クールネシトーク 01:28, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Well I couldn't think of a better name...some suggestions would be appreciated. --Recent uploads SpineTalkGuest book 01:41, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
Call them nothing, they're just images in the quest infobox. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 05:27, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
quest infobox images. Chicken7 >talk 12:08, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Per the above statements. --Touhou FTW Zaros symbol.png 05:31, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - I can't help feeling that it isn't our job to glorify quests and make them look amazing and interesting by getting pretty images. I'm not sure if we're doing this to make the quests more appealing or to make our articles more appealing. If it's the former, that's not our role. If it's the latter, I can't imagine anyone not using our guides because the quest infobox image was ugly or boring. Let's also remember that the infobox is a factual template, and that the current images come from a factual, definite source. If we were to change that, the image would come down to personal preference and bias. Chicken7 >talk 12:08, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

That's a good point, but surely we can use an image that actually signifies the quest and can be clearly identified as symbolizing the quest, just like an image of an NPC would be in the infobox of an NPC's page. Hofmic Talk 12:21, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
A factual definite source that can now be edited by anyone, because of the new game guide/wiki... Adventurer's log Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon.png 12:32, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
I kind of see your point, Hofmic. But unlike an NPC, the quest is an abstract entity; in other words, it's not something that can just be screenshotted and "that's it". It would be difficult to get an image that is a complete representation of a particular quest. Although, don't worry, as I'm happy for this to go ahead. Battleben, you're kind of right, but aren't Jagex still creating the official quest images? Chicken7 >talk 13:03, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose(ish) (changed to Neutral per below) - The reason I prefer the Jagex images over the what's suggested instead is the lack of spoilers in them. Granted these are quest guides and somewhat spoiler full, but that's no reason to put the focal point of the quest in a single image. I know people who would have issue with straying on to the page by accident and having the quest somewhat spoiled by the proposed change.

What about changing the pics to be all of the starting point? At least then they're uniform. cqm talk 03:53, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

If you're on the quest guide page and don't want spoilers, you're in the wrong place. Also, I think the concept of the quest being spoiled entirely by a single image ridiculous. Unless it were to show, for example, Lucien getting killed in Ritual of the Mahjarrat (oh, yeah, spoiler alert), it's comparable to the images on the back of a box of movies. Heck, the back of the DS remake for Final Fantasy V shows a battle image with Krile as one of the characters, despite the fact she doesn't join the party until her Grandfather's death (again, spoiler alert, sorry) late in the game. Of course, that could be interpret many ways, not necessarly that Galuf dies.
While the starting point is uniform, it's often as dull as the images at the top of this page and may seem entirely unrelated to the quest (the start of Underground Pass is completely random and could be simply the Grand Exchange; Roving Elves and Mourning's End Part I both start with the same pair of elves, in one of two random locations in Isafdar; Defender of Varrock, despite being such a lore filled quest and having plenty of action and crucial story events, starts in the very ordinary Varrock Castle; While Guthix Sleeps, famously known for the Stone of Jas, which is apparently spoiler-free enough to have been the background of the main page of the RuneScape website for a time, starts in the Legend's Guild, which is largely unimportant to the vast quest). Hofmic Talk 07:09, January 29, 2012 (UTC)
People could mistakenly find themselves on that page (admittedly it is a weak reason to oppose). Taking your examples of quests, pics that I would deem inappropriate might be Lucien featured with the Stone of Jas for While Guthix Sleeps. People might come along to the guide to look for a few quick hints, I have done this a few time even though I take far more pleasure in figuring something out for myself. For example, I was stuck on the map code for Kethsi during Ritual of the Mahjarrat. I found it by pure accident but I may have eventually strayed here to look for clues. I don't want a pic of the Dragonkin killing Lucien, which I might speculate on, but I'd like to find it out by myself.
Might I point out that RotM was one of the most unusual quests in terms of hints I've ever come across. Not only were the 'known' requirements that were held in such regard for so long wrong (83 Fletching?), Lucien died where as most people with any standing in the Future Updates section of the RSOF (most of which I know) would have sworn blind that it was a continuation of the Rise of Lucien series (which never actually existed) and Lucien would feature in a later quest.
Having said all that I will agree that the Jagex images are somewhat confusing at times and some images editors here have taken are vastly superior when summing up the quest. Per that I'll change to Neutral. cqm talk 01:05, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Support - If people want official they can go use Jagex's crappy wiki. Our content is written in the interest of the reader, so in the process better quality images are in our own interests. Smuff [citation provided] 14:51, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Strong Support - Makes perfect sense to me. [1] N7 Elite (Ready to talk now?) 01:11, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - For the quest let them eat pie, an image like this would be more preferable than Jagex's: http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/3315/letthemeatpie.png

--Recent uploads SpineTalkGuest book 22:05, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - For reference and comparison purposes, here is the Jagex one we're using now: [[File:Let Them Eat Pie.jpg]]

Chicken7 >talk 09:38, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

In this instance can anyone point out a significant difference between the two? The change seems a little pointless here, but the quest is about 5-10 mins long. cqm talk 16:09, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
He's actually eating a pie in the first one.. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 16:38, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
Cue the mass retaking of minor details... --Henneyj 04:18, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
Do we have official quest descriptions anymore? Basing the picture off what is said in those would satisfy my concerns saying too much about the quest in a single prominent picture. cqm talk 01:16, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
We still have the official descriptions on older quests, for now, but I don't think Jagex is releasing them any more, with the knowledge base to wiki conversion. However, the introduction paragraph, for the quests that have it, usually sum up the quest. The quest articles are not just guides on how to do the quest, but also articles on what the quest is about (and nobody wants to read through the whole guide of Ritual of the Mahjarrat just to find out what happened). So the images really shouldn't be a spoiler. As well, per Forum:Spoilers, quest articles are not expected to be spoiler free by any means, and we don't even mention that there may be spoilers unless mentioned on a totally unrelated page. Hofmic Talk 01:35, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Support - It would be a much better idea if we just took our own. We could easily take images of higher quality than theirs. Smithing (talk | contribs) 16:50, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose, some people want to experience important parts themselves.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.238.176.220 (talk) on 17:09, 2 February 2012.

Closed - Images other than Jagex's official quest images will be able to be used in the quest infobox. Matt (t) 09:03, February 7, 2012 (UTC)