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This thread was archived on 14 November 2012 by Spineweilder.
Original thread: Obsolete featured images
As RuneScape's graphics get updated, featured images can become obsolete. When this occurs, a section on this page should be made, stating that the image is obsolete and requesting that someone nominate a suitable replacement. If there is no nomination for replacement within two weeks, the image will be delisted. If the replacement fails, the image will be delisted. The only exception to this is if the image is of such historical significance that it adds to the relevant mainspace page, in which case the image may remain featured. Arguments for this should be held in the aforementioned section on this page.
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Straight to the point, I'd like to propose that in cases of nominations to replace obsolete images, if there is a general feeling that the old (obsolete) image is superior to the nominated replacement, the old (obsolete) image may continue to be featured. My reasoning behind this is that if an image is recognised to be of a high quality, looks well on the main page, and has come to represent the wiki's standards of excellence, there is no reason to replace it with an inferior image due to a technicality. Naturally, this would not apply to cases where the replacement would be an improvement, or if the changes are particularly dramatic, such as here.

Notable examples: [1]; [2]; [3]; [4]. Ronan Talk 15:55, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion

Support - That is a good idea, so our images will be updated and featured images will stay featured. — Jr Mime (talk) 16:05, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose The very first sentence of RuneScape:Featured images states:

Featured images are images that add significantly to articles, either by illustrating article content particularly well, or being eye-catching to the point where users will want to read its accompanying article.

The first and foremost rule of featured images is that they need to be on an article. That always comes before looking pretty on the main page. Since you want to keep obsolete images featured, that leads me to believe that you either want to remove the requirement that featured images be in mainspace, or you want to use these obsolete images on articles even after a replacement has been found.

If you're trying to waive the mainspace requirement, this is a bad idea. Content always comes before extraneous things like featured images -- that first sentence even says that the reason they are featured is to add something to the article -- if they're not on the article, then surely they can't actually add anything to it? Furthermore, each of our featured images on the main page links to an accompanying article. If there's an obsolete featured image with a link to a page that doesn't actually contain that image, won't that be a little bit disorienting?

If you want to include these obsolete images on articles, that's actually even worse. We already over-do the "this is what ___ used to look like before some random update" thing on articles, and especially with large featured images, a lot of times there wouldn't be space for a duplicated version of it. Because you claim that this wouldn't apply to large changes in models, and we still would want the up-to-date version in the marquee location on the page, we'd basically have two nearly identical images on the page. Besides, we would be co-opting the article's integrity for the sake of keeping an image featured. I don't want to do that.

This all detracts from my final point, which is just that I don't think obsolete images should ever be featured. They don't bring out the best the wiki has to offer, and there's no reason for them to be there. ʞooɔ 16:25, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - If we have out of date content and say this is our best, it makes us look like we're not only behind, but possibly proud of it. This will tarnish our reputation as one of the best help sites for RuneScape What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 16:35, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose(ish) - I, for example prefer the old Kharid Palace image to be featured instead of the new one. If we would do that, however, we'd need to clearly make sure in the description that people know we know it's obsolete ("The home of the emir of Al Kharid (before the September 2012 graphical update)."), to avoid having what Ciphrius said. Also, I'd like to point out

The only exception to this is if the image is of such historical significance that it adds to the relevant mainspace page, in which case the image may remain featured. Arguments for this should be held in the aforementioned section on this page.

So yeah. For example, File:Meyerditch waste pipes.png, which can no longer be found in-game, were a beautiful and brilliant image and if it would pass its FIMG nomination, we could very well feature it, as it compliments its article well, even though it's a historical image. This case is slightly tougher for obsolete images, but, again, if we ensure people know we are not <Ciphrius' comment>, that could work out too.

But the current obsolete images replacement system is fine by me and if people insist on the obsolete version remaining featured, they can say so in the nomination. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 05:34, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - Featured images aren't just to show that someone is good with angling an orb or adding transparency. It's also to promote things in-game. If someone sees an outdated image of Zanaris featured and clicks on it to go to the article and sees completely different images on the article... It looks like we don't care enough to update the mainpage when there are graphical updates in the game. The point of a wiki is to provide up-to-date and accurate information. If someone cannot take an image of equal or superior quality to the outdated one, then we should just stick to what we're doing now and delist it. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 19:56, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose per the comment I am replying to, and because of a point first raised by Ciphrius Kane ("If we have out of date content and say this is our best ..."). I would also add that any featured image that becomes obsolete should trigger delisting without any discussion, and new revisions uploaded over it. This would go in line with users' expectations of being able to upload non-obsolete stuff without needing a delist discussion for Featured Images, a process they might not understand. I was actually outraged at someone reverting an Al-Kharid Palace image because it was featured and needed a delist/relist for a non-obsolete version after Ozan Quest Double Bill! The new revision would need a discussion to be featured again, though.  a proofreader ▸  07:20, November 2, 2012 (UTC)
It's stupid, but we couldn't make an exception for that one image for no reason. I agree that they should be delisted, only if temporarily until community consensus decides whether the new version is to be featured or not. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 15:21, November 2, 2012 (UTC)
I know there should be no exceptions, but this image exemplified the Featured Image reupload process for me, and I did not like what I saw. That would apply to all FIMG post-update reverts, if there are more of those.  a proofreader ▸  18:57, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Ciph. I also agree that we should go one step further and automatically delist obsolete Featured Images as proof said. 222 talk 08:05, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose, Comment - Over the past few months and months upcoming, Jagex has been rolling out vast amounts of graphical updates to characters, locations, animations, etc. So obviously there's gonna be an influx of obsolete images pretty soon.

I'd like to propose introducing an archive featured section - maybe, maybe not on the main page (in the contents section) - where obsolete featured images can be split and put. Up-to-date images can be uploaded over the existing one, wherein they can be put up for discussion for [FI].

This way, all the good ol' images which were what older players, like me, used to be around all the time can be viewed easily. I mean, personally, memories! -- Alchez 14:39, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Isn't that what graphical updates is for? User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 17:37, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
This suggestion is exclusively for updated images that were once featured rather than any old piece o' crap. MolMan 17:40, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Close - FIMG nomination standards will stay as it currently is. -- Recent uploads SpineTalkGuest book 03:00, November 14, 2012 (UTC)