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This thread was archived on 24 February 2013 by Urbancowgurl777.

Hi, everypony. This is just a simple proposal to amend the images and media policy to disallow editors from uploading equipscreen images of what they think is a good set up. No, I'm not a malevolent rule creator - there are a number of good reasons behind forbidding these types of images. Just in case you don't know what I'm talking about, the files in Category:Equipment images are predominantly the type of which I speak.

Let me get to why they should be rid of now:

They suck. Just in general, they suck. They're mostly low quality and even when they are of the highest quality, it's an ugly interface. Along with that, they aren't of great use on the page (from here on out, page will mostly mean /Strategy subpages); there's really no way to place them on the page and have the stats showing, so you see this shrunk down blue (brown, actually because no one is updating them) thing... what's the point?

Maintaining these is a pain. When just one item has its stats changed, or its icon updated there's a whole 'nother image to update. Oh, we have new faces? Time to update! There's better equipment now? Update. Well one image isn't a lot to update, right? Apparently it is. A majority of these are still pre-EoC. When they do get updated, it'll probably be by some random new account that was rashly created for the sole purpose of updating the image to a crappier but more "updated" version never to be heard of again.

Everything these pictures say can be said better with words. This is the big one. Adopted from our stance on glitch images is this idea that can be appropriately applied to the files in question here. It's also backed up by my previous two points. We don't need to worry about another obsolete file whenever one little thing changes. We just need to change a few words around.

Consistency. From what I see, most pages don't really use these kinds of images. They use a different method that works much better and plays a lot with point 3. They use an ordering system from best to worst in terms of overall stats and/or other (possibly invisible) bonuses. e.g. Helm1 > Helm2 > Helm3. While not the best, it's much better than an image. I know they usually have both the pseudo-table and the image, but why bother? You can argue that you don't see the stats of the items in the table; well there are links to their pages which have the stats and more information and at the same time the image only shows the total, not individual stats. You either have the exact set up modeled or that picture is completely irrelevant to you. Which leads me to my next point... ugh

Bias. Say waht? Yes, I don't like this point very much either but it provides slightly more help without harm in my argument. We're favoring someone in our use of gear in the pictures. This point kinda speaks for itself so I don't want to delve in. Med gear shown? Piss off the "pros" and the "welfare" users. And any combination of represented-not-not. Or not?... That's why I'm not too fond of the bias argument, but it still exists in some nonzero form.

I'll also say as an aside that before I began writing this proposal, I attempted to make a template that could fetch every items' information for a gear set up on my DPL subpage. Unfortunately it didn't go well. That particular revision doesn't even load and I would honestly recommend not even trying to look at it. I also have no idea how else to gather individual stats dynamically. Nonetheless, it's sort of irrelevant to this proposal overall but the idea of getting rid of all these equipment images made me want to try to create a replacement (and one that would be many folds better). Why did I bring this up? So you know I tried to make a trade-off rather than just losing these pictures? Perhaps it's a call for help? I don't know.

So yeah, that's about it. I see no point in keeping these pictures for the reasons above and as such I'd like both for all those that exist to be deleted and for our images and media policy to be updated to disallow them explicitly.

Discussion

00:27, February 13, 2013 (UTC) MolMan .mon sa - troppuS

Support - Strategy subpages and setup sections have this well covered. Achievements Coelacanth0794 Talk Contribs 01:26, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Support - For all the reasons listed. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 01:38, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Support - Please yes. Blaze_fire.png12.png 04:36, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Support/Comment - Didn't we have a template that could show armour in boxes, like Template:Actionbar but for equipment? Either way, I support removal of these images. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 06:57, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Not that I'm aware of, but I do know that there is some now-retired user who has one as a subpage of his userpage. It's pre-EoC, but the actual equipment set up hasn't changed barring some extra slots. Also, it's not like making one is hard. Also, I forget whom. The problem lies in that it'd be practically useless. What's the point if you can't see each of the items' stats as well as the sum of them? It's useless in terms of actual addition to strategy. I don't get the appeal of how it's "nice to see these items together in a familiar layout". MolMan 18:25, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
I found it: Template:Equipment (obvious name; I feel stupid. do you?), but what I said still stands. Forum:Suggested gear may also be worth look but I'm against anything that only shows a single set up like and especially Template:Equipment, but other options exist in that past forum if you'd like to create a discussion regarding them. MolMan 14:37, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Neutral - I personally think the images are visually appealing, and help out pretty well on the strategy pages, but yet, I can imagine that at the same time, that they are a logistical nightmare to maintain. I would personally prefer to see some sort of template used in place, should we remove the images. RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 08:19, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately that's not really feasible in a way that would be helpful. A template that just shows the items grouped together isn't of any help just as these pictures are of no real help; both add nothing but unnecessary fluff to the article. I also don't feel that the pictures can be termed "helpful" because they only show one of many thousands of possible combinations. Sure, we could use the outright best gear, but not everyone can afford it. And any similarly worded statement is viable for any set up you can propose be modeled. It really sucks that I can't make a functioning equipment builder with what we have on MediaWiki, but we just gotta live with that and realize that having nothing with which to replace this is still better than this. Maybe something can be whipped up using JavaScript? But I still have some doubts as to how well it could fetch that information. MolMan 18:25, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Support - There are way too many possible permutations of "acceptable" equipment. The images are also a nightmare to update. --LiquidTalk 18:28, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Support - Kevin has summarised it neatly. Ronan Talk 15:22, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Support - Text will suffice. 222 talk 07:11, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

yus - unless the equipment image includes a caek. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 14:57, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Support - half the time, if there isn't text, I can't even tell what these images are purporting to show (other than the poster showing off his wealth). Useless. --Saftzie (talk) 04:24, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

I totally wanted to say something myself that was similar to your parenthetical ^.^ MolMan 14:35, February 18, 2013 (UTC)


This request for closure is complete A user has requested closure for No more example set up images. Request complete. The reason given was: Discussion dead, mark up another victory for Mol and give a cash award to Henney.

Closed - Setup images will be deleted, and RS:IMG has been updated to reflect this. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 19:16, February 24, 2013 (UTC)