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This thread was archived on 8 October 2010 by Degenret01.

Recently i had a look through RuneScape:Requests for adminship and RuneScape:Requests for adminship/Archive 6. It looks to me that a decent number of brand new users or users that are admins on other wikis are making RFAs. Now i particularly don't care, (as i get a good laugh out of some of them) but it is a waste of time for a few days until someone finally brings out the snow.

I was also hesitant about bringing this up as a user can be a good, hard-working user without really making friends or joining community things. But after reading certain comments i feel differently.

Example 1

In User:Stormsaw1's RFA

Oppose - You don't need to be a forum admin to help out and answer questions and you have given us no reason to believe that you have any sort of need for forum admin tools. Besides, I've never heard of you. Andrew 22:46, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand why you, personally would need to know me. how does that effect the subject? I'm Supposed to know you? Well, sorry. Let's start off then. My name is Stormsaw1... Stormsaw1 07:02, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
Are you serious? Being well-known is almost the most important thing about admins! How can anyone judge whether they can trust someone, when they don't even know the nominee? Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 11:41, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
I never said I had to personally know you....but I've never even heard of you and I suspect that plenty of others haven't either which is a dead giveaway that you aren't active in the community. Andrew 19:51, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Example 2

In User:Darkman63's RFA

Uber Oppose - Never saw before Twigy 22:36, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I have NEVER seen you before Superplayer08

From these, its obvious that a standing and reputation with other users is a definite rerquesite despite not being mentioned much if at all in RuneScape:Requests for adminship#Nominating. So my suggestion is to have a preliminary requirement of (3?) supporting users discussed beforehand.

That takes care of brand new users and vandals who are obviously doing it as a joke as the page is deleted immediately without being archived. And as for users from other wikis that are admins/crats already, they could already have friends through wikia or a couple users could just verify their edits/group on request.

That sound right at all? - [Pharos] 14:31, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

EDIT: There is also the possibility of users leaving due to simple rejection of an RFA, new and slightly older alike. Infact, quite a "opposing" users were stressing that they should not quite just because of a possible RFA rejection.

Discussion

Support - As nominator Oppose - Lol, im against this now. But no, im not going to use common sense and close it >_<, just leave it open a while longer for some more input - [Pharos] 14:31, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose- Everyone deserves an RfA, while it's true that those who have one for that reason will fail, they should still be allowed to have one. If RS:SNOW is only an essay, why don't we just RS:UCS and close the ones that don't have a chance early anyway? svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 14:39, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

The problem is who gets to decide if something doesn't have a chance? HaloTalk 16:34, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Well... when I say doesn't have a chance, I'm meaning more towards very very new to the Wiki, or is in very bad standing. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 21:00, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I self nom'd, although I had been offered multiple nominations before. It doesn't really hurt us to have open RfAs; if we've never heard of the person before, oppose, and give them some advice for things to work on. ajr 14:45, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

0_0 that was a very good point - [Pharos] 14:47, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - For dummies: User:Example has no friends and is a smoker loner. But, he is probably one of the best editors on the wiki and could use the tools more effectively than just about anyone else on the wiki, even God. But, because he's a loner nobody wants to nom him and he can't nom himself because some noob said so, so he runs away and hurts himself.   Swizz Talk   Events!   15:46, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Actually...several people (including myself 2? or 3? times) offered to nom him. HaloTalk 16:11, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
If they are THAT good then people WILL nom them..And people clearly were opposing due to not knowing them anyway...? - [Pharos] iPhone Edit16:21, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Just an example, noobs.   Swizz Talk   Events!   17:07, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Oic. And stop calling me that, It's very hurtful T.T - [Pharos] iPhone Edit17:37, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Everybody run, everybody hide. Oh how I love this game. Per the Wikipedia essay: Why Self-Nominated RfA Candidates Could be more Competent. Ryan PM 16:08, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - So long as we continue to be able to close/delete these joke/vandal ones. I have no problem talking to people who don't really understand it, to help them to better do so. So I don't really see any way to win supporting this. HaloTalk 16:13, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - RS:SNOW should be applied immediately to such cases so they can be closed without much of a problem. It's not like these users are going to receive the rights. --Callofduty4 17:46, October 4, 2010 (UTC)'

Request for closure - As nominator has opposed, I think it's safe to close it now. HaloTalk 20:44, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Ryan. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 20:50, October 4, 2010 (UTC) 

Oppose - what a pathetic excuse for making a Yew Grove proposal..if someone deserves to be an admin, they'll become one regardless of who nominates them. There have been many successful self-nominations, such as mine, and recently, Ajraddatz. Andrew talk 21:00, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - *must get in 2 gp* It doesn't matter if they self-nom. if they are good enough for the job, they should get it. *2 gp in* Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 21:26, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - Nominator withdrawal. --LiquidTalk 22:12, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Re-opened Someone may offer a valid reason, leave it open a week. Nominators withdrawing support does NOT automatically close a discussion.-- Degen says Unban TLUL  22:21, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I don't see the point of prohibiting self-nominations. If a candidate is good enough to pass, he'll pass regardless of the nominator. If he's not, then someone like Mero could nominate him and still fail. Besides, per the guidelines on RS:RFA, the nominator should have no bearing on the examination of the candidate. --LiquidTalk 22:28, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

For the record, I agree. -- Degen says Unban TLUL  22:41, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
RS:RFA also says self-noming is frowned apon. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 22:43, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Not needed, per Helm JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 22:45, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - My opinion must appear somewhere here! Per all BTW, someone forgot to un-semi-protect this thread, what if some IP so desperately wants to say something in this thread and doesn't know how to make an account? 222 talk 22:51, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - There are lots of successful self-noms, but finding a way to get rid of the new accounts would be good. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 09:24, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Comnent - The arguments of 'lots of self noms have succeeded' is flawed. There have been NO successful RFAs of people who can't come up with three friends or even total randoms to support them. Everyone who has self-nomed COULD have asked someone to nom them. This is merely a preliminary filter for applicants so we don't get more SNOW candidates, if they can pull 3 supports they DO have a chance in hell. Get what I mean? - [Pharos] iPhone Edit10:49, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but disallowing someone to self-nom doesn't serve any purpose. There is nothing wrong with self-nomming. HaloTalk 12:17, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - per above. Mr. Anura 12:30, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Nooo. Just because you pulled up an example of somebody not knowing who somebody is...shouldn't be a reason to make it rule for no self-nominations. Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 21:29, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Request for closure - Its had long enough, no new points. - [Pharos] Fail YG thread >_<07:25, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Forum:Have you ever seen the snow?, according to that all legitimate discussions have to be open for 1 week. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 15:30, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
So if I started a thread on the advantages of replacing admin crowns with uploaded scans of my ass... or making 1 in every 5 new users a bureaucrat... - [Pharos] Getting ideas...18:32, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
Damn, you said legitimate >_< - [Pharos] iPhone Edit 18:36, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
Doesn't matter...he withdrew it. This can be closed now. HaloTalk 18:41, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Closed No substantial reasons offered for this change. Self nominated RFAs will continue to be accepted.--Degenret01 03:50, October 8, 2010 (UTC)