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(Title of aura)
Release Date
(release date)
Update
(update)
Tier
(which tier it belongs to)
Time lasting
(time it lasts for)
Cooldown Time
(cooldown time)
Examine
(examine info)
Weight
(weight)

Hey all,

I'm suggesting that we have a separate infobox for auras. It would be good as auras have much in difference as normal items (aka the infobox item template). Here is what it could be like:

Tell me what you think.

HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 06:17, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Edit: [[Template:Infobox Aura|Bluefire has made the template]], but it will not be posted on all auras until this thread is closed. That is, if it is successful. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 08:52, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

Support- HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 06:18, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Support - i would almost go as far to say just be bold and do it Zaros symbol.png KDanger Talk 01:24, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Definatly Raglough 03:46, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Sounds good to my talk page! King TALKWer den König nicht ehrt, ist nicht Lebenswert. 04:00, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Be bold. bad_fetustalk 16:43, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Support if - Kay. But remove weight and add price. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 19:42, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Oops, I forgot price. I was going to put it in :/. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 23:05, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Be bold and add it - If anyone wants anything else to correct about it, they can do it themselves. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 21:40, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Slight support - A few suggestions to add: price from Xuan, previous aura and next aura (EG on Greater Poison Purge: Previous aura:Poison Purge, Next aura:None) What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 21:48, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

<yep>Yep</yep> - Go for it. β (t&c)Oil4 I made this 21:57, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

I haz teh code :) P.S. - can I upload it?! Pretty pretty please?! β (t&c)Oil4 I made this 22:48, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Seems just a general thing that should be done. Not much too it. Milestone cape (50).pngAmeobea10Talk Contribs #Virtus mask.png 01:02, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Whoops - alright, I was too tempted and I did [[Template:Infobox Aura|it]]. Please add potential categories, and change the code if you wish so. β (t&c)Oil4 I made this 08:18, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

And if someone can help me get the documentation working, I'll be very grateful β (t&c)Oil4 I made this 08:29, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
Never mind, I forgot to close an includeonly tag β (t&c)Oil4 I made this 10:26, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
Go to my sandbox to see a preview of the template. β (t&c)Oil4 I made this 10:41, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Looks good! (: sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 17:12, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Ok Matt (t) 21:18, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Notice of intent - With aura pages having been merged (rather, with the consensus for this to be done having been established), the new infobox should reflect this change. I'll hold off on closing this thread until it has been done. Suppa chuppa Talk 21:05, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

OMG wai though?! - can you give a link to the RfM page? β (t&c)Oil4 I made this 21:07, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Forum:Combine aura tiers JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 21:09, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
Well all I think was needed is deleting the "preceded by" and "succeeded by" fields. β (t&c)Oil4 I made this 22:14, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - added the option to show greater and master tier prices in the infobox. I think there's somethin like one case where times are different for upgraded auras so that's less of an issue. --Henneyj 05:43, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I'm actually going to hold off on merging aura articles together until this infobox template has been created, so I can add the infoboxes as I merge. Small recharge gem.png AnselaJonla Slayer-icon.png 17:37, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

Thy will hast been done already - Template:Infobox Aura. If there is a reason that is impeding you from merging the pages and putting this infobox on them, please state it. β (t&c)Oil4 I made this 17:58, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

A way to add multiple release dates and updates would be nice, for those auras where separate tiers were released in different batches. Small recharge gem.png AnselaJonla Slayer-icon.png 21:16, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose current format - These are still items. While a lot of the fields that we'd use in Infobox Item are constant (weight, alch, members, et cetera), I still think we should include those in the infobox, as it may give the wrong idea about what they really are, especially if we don't state it directly in the text. It's the kind of thing infoboxes are for. ʞooɔ 21:43, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

We could just state it in the text though, that it is not alchable and not tradeable. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 08:50, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
Well all auras are members only... we don't really go around NPC pages saying they're untradeable, because people already know that. Auras are relatively new, I admit, but soon enough everyone will know what they are. β (t&c)Oil4 I made this 08:53, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
I think it's a very bad idea not to include basic item information on an item page. I don't see the point of stating that information in the text when it's more easily presented in the box. We also don't assume that our readers know much of anything, and it's ridiculous to equate NPCs with untradeable items. It sets a very poor precedent for removal of basic information. ʞooɔ 20:51, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
If we say in the text (for example) that: Reverence is an aura, I think that is fine because saying that it is an aura, people will now know that it is untradeable (or if they didn't know, they can just check the page). Btw sorry if this is horrible grammar, I'm very sleepy HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 22:33, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
Except they can't check the page because it's not on it. Even though it's very clear to most people that a Primal battleaxe (and all other primal equipment) is members-only, we still include it in the infobox. Don't assume people are smart. ʞooɔ 02:39, December 17, 2011 (UTC)
Then put in the first sentence, "Greater blah is an aura that was released with the third batch of the Members Loyalty Programme". We don't put that farming seeds are members-only in their infoboxes. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 17:54, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
This request for closure was denied A user has requested closure for New infobox for auras?. Request denied. The reason given was: Unanimous support, infobox has already been created. Discussion has died down. Ronan Talk 21:22, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
Disagree with closure request as my concerns about them being items have not been addressed template-wise, and this proposal hasn't been very well reconciled with Forum:Combine aura tiers. I do not like using wikitext to separate the tiers for examine and lasting time, as it looks bad and the semantic data from it can't be extracted easily. ʞooɔ 21:56, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
..Then write an opposing comment. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 22:11, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
The examine texts are generally so similar that multiple boxes for them would be frankly ridiculous. Why do you want to extract the semantic data? As I said before, I have seen one case where cooldown times differ, so splitting that wouldn't really be worth it either. --Henneyj 06:26, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
Of course they're similar, but they're not the same. And I should have said lasting time, not cooldown time. I can't read. The release dates are all different as well, but you wouldn't be able to tell that given the current setup. I do not want to take out the semantic data at this time, but it's always a good idea to make it as easy as possible, in this case having different parameters instead of separating them with line breaks. I feel like we are picking and choosing what parameters to include in the infobox while continuing to forget that these are no different than other items. We wouldn't make a new infobox for runes or potions or capes, so why would we disregard all the other item information about auras? ʞooɔ 06:45, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion - Cook is right. Auras are still an item. I'm suggesting then that, we merge all the aura pages (as Ansela suggested) and then we add on each of the pages a new header saying the time of which it lasts, cooldown, etc. It would be like Combat Styles on weapon pages. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 21:48, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

Done - I modified the template so there's separate cells for greater and master tier auras, if they exist. It works the same way as you can specify different prices for the different tiers. If only one examine option appears, it will display as thus, but if greaterexamine or masterexamine are used, they get their own cells as well. This makes the full syntax: {{Infobox Aura |image = An image of the aura's icon |AKA = Other names of the aura used by players |release = Date of release of the aura |update = Name of the update that the aura was released with, without the Update: prefix |tier = The tier of the aura (put all relevent tiers for multi-tier auras) |price = Cost to buy the aura from Xuan (loyalty points) |greaterprice = Cost to buy the greater version (delete if not relevent) |masterprice = Cost to buy the master version (delete if not relevent) |time = How long the aura lasts for |cooldown = How long it takes the aura to cooldown after use |examine = The aura's examine text |greaterexamine = Greater tier examine cost (delete if not relevent) |masterexamine= Master tier examine cost (delete if not relevent) }} See User:Hofmic/Sandbox for an example. Hofmic Talk 00:47, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

I still think it would be much, much easier to just include a table of prices and lasting time, as opposed to creating an entirely new infobox...they're still items and we should include item-specific information. We're going to all this trouble for something that can be fixed much more easily. In addition, your infobox does not account for different release dates and lasting times. ʞooɔ 01:36, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
AKA my suggestion :P HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 01:39, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
Meh, Hydro's suggestion covers it well enough. Hofmic Talk 01:59, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Request for Closure - There is unanimous support, discussion has died, and the creator could still be bold and keep it without discussion. Hair 13:15, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Pets are items as well and they have their own infobox. --Recent uploads SpineTalkGuest book 23:33, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

New idea

Ok, so we are not making a completely new template for auras, as they are still items (read above). So, what we might do is make a whole new table to put on the aura page, which says the price, duration and cooldown time of the (greater/master) aura. A link of it can be found here Thanks Ansela!!!. Note it has all tier auras as they will be merged per some thread... HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 10:04, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and someone please delete Template:Infobox Aura and its /doc. I don't think we will need that. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 10:04, February 3, 2012 (UTC)e
Woah, woah, woah. Just because cook said it is an item, you are asking for it to be deleted? It seems that other people have supported the aura infobox. So unless people find it needed for the aura infobox to be deleted, I don't think you should just say "delete it". Hair 22:35, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

What the heck? - The consensus above seems to be to use the new template, not scrap it. Hofmic Talk 23:07, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Notice of intent - This thread has been open far, far too long, and there is clear consensus to have an infobox. I'll give this new proposal one or two days to gain some support, but if it doesn't, then this thread will be closed and the status quo (having the infobox) will prevail. Matt (t) 03:16, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - I still think it's best to keep the item infobox. We can include all of the extra information Infobox Aura has in the table Hydro talked about, and it's easier for the merging of the aura articles if we keep them consistent and use the item infobox. ʞooɔ 05:39, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Table vs Infobox

Which do we want. A table separate from the item infobox that includes relevant aura information, or a new aura infobox? sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 16:18, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Support either - Idc, as long as whichever is picked is neat and tidy. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 16:18, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Support table, neutral infobox - Just seems easier. ʞooɔ 23:56, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Support table - there seems to be some resistance with the infobox suggestion, but the table covers what the infobox set out to do originally. Hopefully, the table will please all. cqm talk 00:48, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Support Infobox - Why can't we just have ONE more template? We have so many useless templates on so many different things that can be very specific for the template, making the page look better. This is another one of those templates, but I know it can be used more. Hair 01:26, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

It would be odd, though, replacing an infobox with a more specific version. The only other example I am aware of is {{Infobox Food}}, but even that includes all of the basic elements of {{Infobox Item}}. Plus it's only used on 5 pages. "We have a bunch of useless templates, so one more doesn't hurt" doesn't really work. ʞooɔ 03:22, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
Eww Infobox Food looks ugly. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 03:27, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
Looks ugly? How so?? The only beef I have with that template is that too few pages use it. It needs to be all or nothing (food pages, that is). Why isn't it used on the other food pages? Hofmic Talk 05:16, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
Presumably because people decided that foods were also items. ʞooɔ 06:38, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Support infobox - Infoboxes are meant to quickly sum up similar pieces of information in articles in a convenient location in a standardized method. Thus, I can easily compare two cities on data such as the number of banks. With items, for example, the most common thing I look at in infoboxes is without doubt the price. I like how I can be assured this is where the price will be. Likewise, in NPC infoboxes, I look at the picture, the location, and the map (if applicable). Information in infoboxes is always in the same place, since infoboxes always appear in the upper right corner of the article. A table, however, could appear anywhere in an article. Auras all share particular traits to eachother, and the differences from regular items are profound. Particularly, the purchases are all in loyalty points versus coins, the duration and cooldown time are likely one of the most common reasons to look up an aura page, and thus should be mentioned in the infobox, and all auras have a tier, another common theme which benefits from the simply comparison infoboxes offer. Hofmic Talk 05:11, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

The problem is that a lot of that information that you're looking for isn't present on the aura infobox. Compare Poison purge with Greater call of the sea and tell me that the former is more informative than an infobox plus the table. If anything, people will be thrown off by aura pages having a different format than regular items, rather then them being thrown off that the lasting time and costs are not in the infobox. ʞooɔ 06:38, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Here's an idea! - Why don't we just take the extra information Infobox item has, and add it to Infobox aura, just like the food infobox has? That would solve both sides' issues, would it not? Matt (t) 06:48, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

But those extra fields are useless. No aura is tradable. They're all members only, they're all equipable, none are quest items, and they all have no weight. That's all the missing cells, and they're missing because they're all the same for all auras. I really don't see the point in adding in the information that is always the same across all auras. That'd be like having a cell in the item infobox "Is an item?". Well, yeah, they're all items, such a cell wouldn't be necessary. But to be honest, if adding the redundant cells is what it'll take for opposers to agree with an infobox, go for it. Hofmic Talk 06:47, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
Not all people know that an aura isn't alchable, or tradeable, etc. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 10:22, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Who cares? - The information is in an easily accessible and easily understandable format in both ways. --LiquidTalk 21:48, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Meh - I'm with Liquidhelium on this one. --Mazanaka 21:02, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Request for Closure

The reason this is a heading is because I don't want the closure based on just the last section but on the whole forum itself.

I am requesting closure on this thread which has almost been open for 4 months. The consensus seems to be [[Template:Infobox Aura|a new infobox]] added, per the beginning. This will be more useful in contrast to using an Infobox item template for the following reasons:

  • When aura pages will be merged, per Ansela's thread, I think everyone would rather one whole Infobox than four infoboxes on a page. An example of this can be found here
  • The Infobox Aura template is much easier to read the key points for a reader/viewer on the wiki.
  • And other points supporters of the Infobox above have mentioned

HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 11:36, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

This request for closure is complete A user has requested closure for New infobox for auras?. Request complete. The reason given was: Per Hydro1 above. Hofmic Talk 01:52, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Bump - This was marked for closure two weeks ago. The last comment on the actual proposal was a month ago. The thread was started last year. Someone wrap this up, pls. Ronan Talk 16:39, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Closed - There is consensus for the template as it was initially proposed. There is no consensus for the extra additions proposed. If people still want to discuss them, take it to a talk page of some sort. There, that wasn't so hard, was it? Matt (t) 09:05, April 23, 2012 (UTC)