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This thread was archived on 11 December 2016 by IsobelJ.

With the new title beginning and the announcement of it already spreading, some new editors are coming, which is one of our goals to help us have the best info for RS players. New editors often means "bad" edits, in the sense of repeated info, not relevant info, incorrect info, incorrect formatting, etc. Please, if you see this, don't just revert or undo the edit. Nothing is more discouraging than to see this happen, and we will lose most of those new editors if this happens. The solution is simple, but it means taking a whole 30-90 seconds of your time. Tell them why you undid the edit. On their talk page. Explain, nicely, not with a template. Offer to help them. Templates feel like the message was left by a bot. For the edit, before you remove it, do you have to? Is there a place in the article the info could go? Just move it. Building a community means talking to each other. I know, I have said all this before, but it bears repeating because I have already seen many comments made about what jerks we are or can be. It only takes 1 jerk to make a new person leave. Don't be the jerk, and if someone else is, tell them to stop it. We are a great site and a great community, let's make it better. Degenret01 (talk) 20:59, December 5, 2016 (UTC)

EDIT P.S. I have not witnessed anything recently that this would specifically apply to, I just thought it would be a good heads up based on what I have seen people saying about us and I did used to witness it when I was more active a few years ago. I hope no one thinks I am targeting them specifically. Rock on. Degenret01 (talk) 16:24, December 7, 2016 (UTC)

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I don't want to be rude since I completely agree with the message but this is exactly what "The Mol Man" did when I first started to edit the wiki. He explained what my mistakes were. Today I found out he's banned? or something like that? What'd he get banned for anyways? --Galian prist (talk) 21:41, December 5, 2016 (UTC)

Please keep thread on topic. Why a user was banned is not appropriate here, thanks for understanding. Degenret01 (talk) 21:47, December 5, 2016 (UTC)
Alright, fair enough. Back to topic :) Will try to be nice although I don't often change other people's edits. --Galian prist (talk) 21:57, December 5, 2016 (UTC)

"Support" - --Deltaslug (talk) 22:03, December 5, 2016 (UTC)

Strongly oppose They should learn the hard way and, I don't anty legit will come because of the title. 98% of them will probably be edit farmers, so we should discourage them from editing, why not even ban them? 1wDmkih.png  Manpaint of the RPU (t)(c) 13:05, December 6, 2016 (UTC)

I do hope you are joking. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 13:36, December 6, 2016 (UTC)
Let's ban Cook Me Plox for edit farming in that case. Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 14:55, December 6, 2016 (UTC)

Now I'm really interested to see what Cook Me Plox did to the farming page MonOfCE (talk) 15:41, December 6, 2016 (UTC)

Support - WEW LAD, this thread, top kek... Never the less, this is something I can agree with, and I have nothing more to say about it --dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Betahib8CAd.png 16:30, December 6, 2016 (UTC)

Support - And, as usual, RS:AGF and RS:DBAD. User talk:ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of User talk:ThePsionic ThePsionic Special:Contributions/ThePsionic.png: RS3 Inventory image of Special:Contributions/ThePsionic 16:48, December 6, 2016 (UTC)

Support - Also, wikipedia:WP:Don't template anyone sums up part of the points made above pretty well as well as wikipedia:WP:TEMPLAR to a lesser extent. It would be nice if we could immortalise this advice as a policy/set of guidelines somewhere to remind us when this is lost to the archives. cqm 23:37, 6 Dec 2016 (UTC) (UTC)

But I like templates... :( I do understand that messages explaining why are better though (as shown below). Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 15:59, December 7, 2016 (UTC)

Support, of course - Explaining change reasoning is always handy and will help new users learn. Let's be nice! Amascut symbol.png Amascut Ia Morte 03:52, December 7, 2016 (UTC)

Comment - It's important to note that while we may see an influx of new editors (and a few ill-intended people) who may initially come for some shiny pixels, we have the opportunity to grow our community and gain new insight and knowledge that we can apply to better the site. Murphy brings up a good point of personalisation - taking the extra time to guide people in the right direction can have a lasting impact, and a personal comment is definitely more welcoming than a generic template. Patience and understanding are paramount to maintaining quality contributors, so as said before don't be a dick. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 04:14, December 7, 2016 (UTC)

Support - The inclusion of more people means more people to edit the wiki and make it even better. Granted though that also means people who don't understand the formats or make edits in good faith that weren't good edits. Helping these users know what they did wrong and help them learn from that will help make the wiki even better. So help the newbies don't just push them aside Smartman294 - The blank avatar man (talk) 14:41, December 7, 2016 (UTC)

Support - Yesterday an anon changed 5 quest quick guides by reformatting it to a formatting they liked better. The first one I just removed their extra formatting (unnecessary bolding of section headers, replacing * with #) and removing their overlinking, since the rest of their edit looked nice. But they edited 4 more quick guides, so I reverted those and explained why on their talk page. Because I'm sure they acted in good faith so I pointed it out in my explaination that quick guides have style guide lines and stating the other stuff above. I agree that we can be more supportive of new editors, so please point it out to me if I don't appear to be so. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 15:59, December 7, 2016 (UTC)

Comment - As a quick heads up, I have written up a list of projects over at User:Gaz Lloyd/Projects. Everyone is welcome to add to it. I think a good thing to have is a place to give people some ideas on what to do and maybe be part of a more 'formal' project, rather than just "wander around and fix what you find".

Additionally, I have posted the text of the first trio of editing guides (see Special:PrefixIndex/Help:Editing). Images coming tomorrow when I have time to finish them, and then on to writing further guides. If you want to work on a guide, go for it. Hopefully you can see the sort of style I'm going for - lots of images, fairly straightforward.

I aim to have guides on other topics like: source mode (probably 2, mirroring topics of the VE ones), editing policies, community interaction and policies, wiki 'tools' (how to use page history, whatlinkshere, etc.), wiki 'backend' (what's a namespace, what's transclusion, etc. - might be part of the 'tools' guide I guess), DPL, Lua, AWB, maybe JS/CSS, uploading, and maybe more. Also have to rework the main Help:Editing (move to /Cheatsheet, probably), work in links to Category:User-made guides, etc. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 02:18, December 8, 2016 (UTC)

Strong support Especially the part about not using templates to talk to them. From my experience on the RS Players Wiki, template messages feel very impersonal/demeaning to people, it's much better to just explain it in a personally written message. The only time on there that I ever really use a template-ish post is when I'm warning people guilty of blatant vandalism. And as someone else already pointed out, there's the Assume good faith to keep in mind when noobs edit things. --Kent Knifen (talk) 13:08, December 8, 2016 (UTC)

Closed - as always, relevant policies like RS:UTP, RS:DBAD, and RS:AGF apply. It would also be desirable for established editors to communicate more personally with new editors about their contributions. Gaz's list of projects and editing guides may be helpful resources to use in these situations. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 22:22, December 16, 2016 (UTC)