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This thread was archived on 23 August 2008 by Azaz129.

Hi, I was told to move this by two bureaucrats here... Anyway, I currently own the site vindemi.com. I am also a user on runescape. How would your wiki like to move into my server? For example, it will go from runescape.wikia.com to runescape.vindemi.com. The good thing about moving to my server is: All bureaucrats on the site will have access to the server so they can add extensions, add custom skins, get their own email account at vindemi.com and do other things. My site has unlimited disk space and broadband space. Unlike this site, on the new runescape site would have limited advertisement....look at vindemi.com to see how it would look like. Oh yea and there are extensions on MW that would make moving the site easy. For example, there is an extension where the computer will import all the users from this site to the new site. And MW has this tool that will import pages from this site to the new one. Oh yea and if you don't want to move for whatever reason, you can use it as a second site or a runescape test site. Oh yea and I can set up a full forum too. Anyway its your call and its a win-win. Tell me what you think so I can set it up. Regards, --Truetech 22:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Here is what I posted on his talk page previously:
I can't speak for everyone, but I think we're just fine here. There's no outstanding reason for us to move, people know we're at this address, and Wikia is a well-known wiki host. I believe, although I've never asked, we could add extensions to our wiki simply by speaking with the Community Helpers. Case in point, I'm almost positive the Ajax checkmark at the top of Recent Changes is an extension, because the other wiki I work on doesn't have it.
There are no advantages that I particularly see either, and I personally am completely happy with Wikia's performance. In fact, I think the World of Warcraft Wiki was on its own at first, and actually decided to merge into Wikia. So that will be a no from me. Oddlyoko talk 03:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
This is an interesting offer, and there has been some dis-satisfaction with Wikia by some of the other wiki groups, so it may be coming at a good time for them. Most of the contention has to do with changes in the skins and some other minor policy changes at Wikia that haven't really impacted the Runescape wiki all that much.
One of the things that I like about Wikia is that they are a stable organization with the experience and institutional history demonstrating that they will be around for some time to come. One of the reasons for all of the advertisement is simply to "pay the bills" instead of doing the alternative like Wikimedia does with "putting out the tin cup" and hoping donations will cover the costs. Both approaches have their advantages/disadvantages, but that is irrelvent in this case. Wikia certainly has a stable financial model to maintain the current system.
Other groups have come and gone like vindemi, and I don't see any reason to believe they will be operating next year, much less in another five or so. vindemi.com doesn't inspire me with confidence when looking at the website, although that doesn't say much of anything in terms of how stable the server operators are fiscally.
Another thing that is positive about remaining with Wikia is that we don't have to suffer (too much) with the server operator getting too involved with the politics of the website. One of the worst things that can happen in these situations is for the server operator to think of himself/herself as a "GOD", telling the community to "do it my way or the highway". Wikia has so many different web projects going on that the operators aren't really interested in setting policies on individual projects. This ensures an independent "community" that can chart its own course and not have to constantly appeal to "authority" on issues that really need consensus anyway.
There is nothing in the terms of the GFDL that would prohibit anybody from taking the content of this wiki and setting up a "mirror site". The only problem I've seen from other similar ventures is that the content eventually gets very stale. Moving a whole community is another issue, and I've even seen that backfire before when it was tried without strong consensus among almost all of the participants. It can happen (I've even initiated some moves of that nature), but it isn't easy. I just don't see the need or the resolve here to make this happen... or the issue that is forcing the community to move in this situation. --Robert Horning 13:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
You might want to read [[w:Ownership|Ownership]] at Central, Truetech.--Richard 16:33, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
But here is the thing: When I set up the wiki, its all yours. You guys decide who will be the bureaucrats, sysops, user, ect. You guys even the do the server stuff because I will give all the bureaucrats of the website access into the main server. And don't worry, the server will never go down. If you mean ther server operator as being me, I am not even going to use the site. I stick with my own site. I am just giving you runescape.vindemi.com along with 19 other subdomains as in forum.runescape.vindemi.com . And also I believe that my site has way more advantages over wikia. For example this site is overun with advertisement, this site doese not look like an actual wiki site. Any my site comes with many more advantages than this that you will find out when you join. If you dont want to officially move, you can use it as a mirror site and see how well it goes. And don't worry server will never go down and the site will always be upgraded to the latest version of MW. Oh yea and I will also help you make your custom skin and then I am not going to express any authority on the site unless you ask me too. Regards, --Truetech 19:00, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Try offering this to the star wars wiki. They had expressed interest in moving offsite when the new adds took place.--Quest point hood.png Bigm2793Talk Quest point cape.png21:52, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Star Wars already has thier own site at wookiepedia.com or something like that, --Truetech 22:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Wookieepedia.com redirects to star wars wiki but as I said they wanted to move off site when the adds go changed but I don't think they could find a suitable server.--Quest point hood.png Bigm2793Talk Quest point cape.png00:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we are fine with being hosted by Wikia. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 23:54, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

One thing that sticks out to me is this line: "Any my site comes with many more advantages than this that you will find out when you join." Why do we want to move when we don't know what all of the advantages are? It would seem more in your favour to explicitely state what they are.
"You guys decide who will be the bureaucrats, sysops, user, ect." -- We already do this.
"For example this site is overun with advertisement, this site doese not look like an actual wiki site." -- I'm sorry, but I rarely see ads here, and those I do see hardly stick out like a sore thumb. There's just the frequent three at the bottom (on Monaco skins), and maybe one on the side sometimes. Moreover, what is a wiki supposed to look like? Oddlyoko talk 01:03, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Er, I see what you mean on the main page, but really, that's just the front page out of all of the other articles. And how else is Wikia going to foot the bills? Oddlyoko talk 01:07, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Well you can always use it as a mirror. theres no harm in doing that. --Truetech 05:00, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
What do you mean by a mirror? If you mean having the address point to runescape.wikia.com, there's no harm, no, but I'm not sure how useful it would be... if you mean having a carbon copy of the wiki over there, well, that's just two times the work to keep everything the same. =\ Oddlyoko talk 05:36, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Oddlyoko. What exactly are those advantages, that you said we would find out if we join? Also his other concerns. Besides, wikia seems pretty nice anyway. Butterman62 (talk) 21:48, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Didn't this wiki move domain a few months back, from Wiki Gaming or something? Or am I thinking of something else? For me, the first issue is the domain name - runescape.vindemi.com says nothing to suggest that this is a wiki instead of just another RS fan site that hosts one person's opinion. Secondly, there is the issue of moving the site with no clear benefit - we're established here, and we know it works. Why change? Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 02:17, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
I am not suggesting changing/moving anymore. I am suggesting using it as a mirror (or second) site. We don't have to move anything. --Truetech 01:32, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
What would the mirror site be used for then? Butterman62 (talk) 11:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Just as a second or sister site. As I said you don;t have to move anything. The other site would be the MW style wiki compared to this WIkia style wiki. And because we can install extentions and alter skins there (so we cant meake a runescape skin). It will also act like a techinial test site too along with as a sister site. --Truetech 19:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Heya! I just wanted to stop by and let you guys know that if you need anything from a technical standpoint (or any other standpoint for that matter), let me know. We have a number of extensions available to all of our wikis--all you have to do is ask for it! If we don't already have the extension ready for install, I can have our tech team check it out and see if it would be possible to install it for you. (Given that extensions have a major impact on site performance, we can't accept and install all the extensions that are requested, but we are able to find a solution that works in most cases.) Also, if you need a test site or a test mirror to work on a custom skin or something of that nature, let me know and I'll see what I can do about making that happen (although you can test any modifications using your personal monaco.css file too (eg. User:KyleH/monaco.css would load for me every time I visit a page). --KyleH<staff /> (talk) 22:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for commenting, that's great to know for the future :) Oddlyoko talk 23:51, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Truetech, this is MediaWiki. Wikia absolutely uses MediaWiki software. The only difference is the default skin, which is Monaco, not Monobook as is the typical look people are used to. I must especially emphasize that we do not need a sister site, it would require double the effort to keep things identical, or if it were a split-off project then there's no point there, either, for what I would hope are obvious reasons. And, as KyleH noted above, we can already add extensions and change skins and whatnot right here. Oddlyoko talk 23:51, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
As I said, you dont have to move. I am just saying we can use it as a second site. --Truetech 05:32, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Well anyway I have made the site runescape.vindemi.com . I guess this discussion is resolved to the Answer "no". But this discussion went pretty far. Bye and Cheers, --Truetech 10:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)