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This thread was archived on 10 June 2009 by Soldier 1033.

In rfa's and so on, you can vote neutral. How does this help? Its like saying I don't care. Why can't we have just oppose and support?Joe Click Here for Awesomeness15:20, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm Neutral on religion, I don't support or oppose it. The purpose of this is so that people may voice their opinions, concerns, criticism, feedback, praise, etc. without being obligated to vote for or against someone. Maybe somebody has some strong points, and some weak ones. It's better to remain neutral and point out that facts that might later spark a discussion than vote one way because you "aren't allowed to vote "neutral"". Karlis (talk) (contribs) 15:23, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe no neutral in rfa's then. They do not help really at all. If you want to point out facts in rfa's use Comment.Joe Click Here for Awesomeness
So people who don't lean one way or the other are no longer allowed to vote on RFA's? I Oppose your proposition. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 15:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - I feel that putting neutral is a good way to point out something that the user may improve on. But, if it gets in the close call line, then they should choose a side. But, under normal circumstances, neutrals should be allowed. ~MuzTalk 15:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - I think if you don't allow to be neutral, some people are being to pushed choose a side to quick. Or they don't take part in the discussion either, while they still have some issues to point out (that makes them be neutral). Adult chameleon (automatic).png Anurin Talk · Sign! . 16:34, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Karlis and Elf. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 17:00, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Gaz Lloyd. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 18:30, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - RfAs aren't even gauged based on "Oh he has 8 supports and 2 opposes". It's the reasoning behind the vote that has influence, so a neutral vote can and is just as important as any other vote. It isn't fair to disallow people that don't have a supporting/opposing opinion to vote on RfAs just because you think that they don't help. Andrew talk 19:25, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Support i dont see how neutral votes are neutral if the person gives reasoning supporting or opposing the rfa , question being asked etc. Its basically you saying you are supporting or opposing but not directly saying it and if you are neutral why do you need to say you are neutral that isnt helping an arguement in my book. --Timwac 19:47, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - If we get rid of the right to vote Neutral, the ones who would vote Neutral wouldn't vote and some important points in the discussion may not be said. Neutral votes don't help? I beg to differ. --— Enigma 20:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Why would you want to get rid of neutral votes in the first place? ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  21:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Yes, plain neutral votes don't help. However, when it is supplemented by reasoning/evidence, definitely it helps. For example, in consensus forming, with the old method and with what the policy says now, consensus is basically a holistic view of the community's opinion, and such input helps form that view. Also, we try to involve as many editors as possible in community discussions, and it may help the community by expressing that you have no opinion on the issue than to leave community members in mystery about your views. Butterman62 (talk) 23:31, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - (This time of year again huh?) Neutral votes don't help you say? Well I'm afraid I'll have to disagree. The most useful opinions in discussions and RfAs are often those of the neutral whom often are more able to weigh the opposing sides' positives and negatives of both sides without additional slant.--

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00:22, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - It could also mean that you merely have no opinion one way or the other..it doesn't matter to you or that neither side has provided a good enough argument for their case so you remain neutral. I personally don't vote on things I'm neutral on, but some like to so I see no reason to get rid of it. Vadanea 01:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - As per mentioned. I like being neutral.

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02:23, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Per all.  Tien  15:23, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Oh dear. I am being gunned down in flames. Again.Joe Click Here for Awesomeness17:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Karlis. You should be able to voice opinions and not be drawn towards oppose to support.Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 02:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Request for Closure, due to overwhelming opposition. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  02:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Support - I mean...uhh...Support closure. Lovely torso armourSupirion1Talk Contribs #Summoning.png 02:46, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose (Edit conflict) Neutral/Comments are a great way for others to learn about your feedback on certain items. Rollback crown.svg Spencer (Talk | Edits | Contribs) 02:47, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose and Request for closure - This has a snowball's chance of surviving in hell. Neutral Votes show that the voter is unable to decide which side to stand with, yet desires to voice his/her opinions. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 03:29, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Request for closure - Per D4k o.O --— Enigma 17:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Closed - per the snowball clause. Andrew talk 18:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)