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This thread was archived on 25 November 2011 by Thebrains222.

I have been working with AWB removing some of the ~1900 articles that are listed as stubs as the wiki and have noticed that almost every music article is listed as a stub. I honestly don't know what should be added to make them more complete. I have seen on some of the more popular music articles detailed musical descriptions detailing different instruments and keys but I find this excessive.

What I propose if making all music articles non-stubs by default. Milestone cape (50).pngAmeobea10Talk Contribs #Virtus mask.png 23:59, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

Support - As nominator Milestone cape (50).pngAmeobea10Talk Contribs #Virtus mask.png 22:30, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Strong oppose - I don't think music articles should be classified as a non-stub just because they're about music tracks. If the article lacks in coverage, then it may need to be classified as a stub and improved. Classifying the one's that are lacking as a stub can help others determine which articles need the most improvement on the wiki, and help improve them. Smithing (talk | contribs) 00:06, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - The problem with that is that there are many music track articles that really are stubs, and could (and should) be expanded. We cannot assume that every one of them is written fully. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 02:06, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

{{vote|S}}- I have thought of this before. Music is a completly different aspect of the game, such as the files (graphics) and the articles (content). Music is the audio portion of the game and deserve different requirements. This being one. Hair 03:35, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Semi-Support -

just because an article is short, it does not mean it is a stub. Articles may be very short; however this is unavoidable when there simply is no more information to be added.
RS:STUB

I think this fits perfectly for music too, as the only thing most tracks seem to be missing the artist, but to be honnest there isnt much to add to music pages, and thus i dont think they should be classified as stubsto my talk page! King TALKWer den König nicht ehrt, ist nicht Lebenswert. 04:49, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, let me expand on this.... I essentially mean what sentra said further down, and don't think that every music article should be freed of stub status, but I do think that something like Desolo I would suffice to be freed of being called a stub, because though it maybe short, there is nothing more to add...to my talk page! King TALKWer den König nicht ehrt, ist nicht Lebenswert. 23:54, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - This brings up a worthy debate, that we have had in the past. Are stubs short articles, or are stubs incomplete articles? When articles reach a certain word count, should they be upgraded from stub status? Is it when every aspect of the article's topic is covered? Chicken7 >talk 06:12, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Comment/Oppose - Music articles are stubs if the infobox is not completely filled out. There is nothing else really that can be said, so if the infobox is filled out, and maybe 1 sentence at least, even if it is repeating something in the infobox, then it should not be considered a stub. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 07:10, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

OK but don't all things that don't have a full infobox show up in a separate category? And even if we stick to your view, would you support making all the articles with the infoboxes filled out non-stub as default?
Also that would not account for articles like Adventure that have a large in-text description and is considered to be a "famous song" but still is listed as a stub because if lacks a composer. What should be done in this case? I feel that it does not deserve the stub tag. Milestone cape (50).pngAmeobea10Talk Contribs #Virtus mask.png 22:36, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
Adventure is still a stub then, as it has "insufficient information", so until information is put there, then it should remain a stub. I'm sure it is possible that eventually, even if it requires asking Jagex, the information can be found out. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 05:44, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
Then I guess that is where our opinions differ because I feel that that article is not missing enough information to constitute a stub and that stubs aren't really something that represent things for incomplete infoboxes; that's what [[Category:Incomplete]] is for. Milestone cape (50).pngAmeobea10Talk Contribs #Virtus mask.png 21:50, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Sentra has almost my exact thoughts on this subject. --Touhou FTW Zaros symbol.png 13:59, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

See the comment above. Milestone cape (50).pngAmeobea10Talk Contribs #Virtus mask.png 22:30, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - If we did that then how would we highlight that the articles need to be filled out? Also what Sentra said What I've done Ciphrius Kane Talk 15:06, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

I think that the articles that have incomplete infoboxes are shoved into a category by themselves by default and if they're not that could be accomplished relatively easilly. Milestone cape (50).pngAmeobea10Talk Contribs #Virtus mask.png 22:30, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Why say they aren't stubs when they are? Such a generalisation would be a bad idea to me. Ronan Talk 16:41, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

If you read the RS:STUB article, then it would say the following:
just because an article is short, it does not mean it is a stub. Articles may be very short; however this is unavoidable when there simply is no more information to be added.
RS:STUB
and I feel that the music articles apply to this. Milestone cape (50).pngAmeobea10Talk Contribs #Virtus mask.png 22:30, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
That guideline has already been quoted to the letter directly above. Its repetition doesn't alter my comment. Ronan Talk 23:24, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I would say that any music article is a stub at least until a music file gets added to it. Quest Icon Crest.png Guthix1110 Quest Icon Crest.png 00:32, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

If it's a stub, it's a stub - I don't really understand what's going on here. You mean to say you removed the stub tag on nearly all music article stubs with a bot? -.- If they're not stubs that's fine, but if their infoboxes are not filled out (which most aren't), then they are stubs. The length probably has nothing to do with them being stubs. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 21:38, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

OK maybe I should restate my original proposal. What I mean to say is that the articles that have nothing more to say but represent almost all the necessary information about the song track or are only missing a very minor addition to their infoboxes shouldn't be listed as stub by default. Milestone cape (50).pngAmeobea10Talk Contribs #Virtus mask.png 21:50, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
If that's the case, perhaps this proposal should apply to normal articles as well. Those missing one small piece of information in their infoboxes are marked stubs too. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 21:51, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
As you can see, I have added a new proposal. I normally would make this suggestion for all articles, but I feel that the community lacks support at the moment for this kind of drastic change. I am only limiting this to music articles at the moment. Milestone cape (50).pngAmeobea10Talk Contribs #Virtus mask.png 22:11, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

After reviewing the previous discussion about what constitutes a stub, I have decided to modify my previous proposal. Accoring to the old forum which was supported by the community, the following constitutes a stub:

Its infobox, if applicable, is completely filled out
  • It has at least one image apart from an inventory icon if it is possible for such an image to be obtained
  • It gives information about the location where the topic is encountered
  • It gives information about any other items, locations, or NPCs relating to or interacting with the topic
  • It gives information about any quests or activities relating to the topic

My new proposal is as follows:

  • All music articles that have everything on this list and at least one sentence of text telling where the track is unlocked and what levels and skills/quests are required to unlock it, I feel that that article should not be considered a stub.
  • If the article has the above and is only missing ONE item from its infobox, it should not be considered a stub. This should be effective for music articles only.
  • Music articles should not be considered stubs if they lack an image. As music articles do not have images that correspond to them, they should be exempt from this rule.
  • If the infobox is incomplete, the article should still be listed as a stub.
  • Music articles should be considered stubs for lacking an image only if they have no sample track.

Milestone cape (50).pngAmeobea10Talk Contribs #Virtus mask.png 00:37, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

SUPPORT - As nominator Milestone cape (50).pngAmeobea10Talk Contribs #Virtus mask.png 00:37, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - The "image" on a music article is the audio of the music (first 30seconds or something like that), so the no image clause should be removed. If one thing is missing from the infobox is still is a stub as it still has "insufficient information", it doesn't matter if that is 90% of the infobox, or just 1 section. The first dot point is alright, but remove what exactly has to be in the sentence, as certain articles may have something else that can be put there which would be better for that article. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 00:08, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

I have edited my proposal urge you to reconsider your vote. Milestone cape (50).pngAmeobea10Talk Contribs #Virtus mask.png 00:37, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
Yeh, that's better. Also technically an infobox is incomplete if it doesn't have the file, which makes that last point slightly redundant. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 06:21, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - There is no consensus to implement either of the proposals. 222 talk 11:23, November 25, 2011 (UTC)