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Now, I know this may be delicate subject on may editor's minds, and that there will be heated arguments about it, but it has to be discussed. Because of the new "Oasis" theme to replace Monaco, quite a few wikis are ready to leave Wikia, to find a better place to house their information. Large wikis, such as WoWWiki, Bleach Wiki, and even Wookiepedia are thinking to fork to another wiki host. I've been working with our sister wiki, Runescape Classic Wiki, for quite some time now, and even we are thinking of the possibility of leaving Wikia for ShoutWiki or just MediaWiki. In the meantime, we thought up of a "Mandatory Monobook Use" policy, stating that all editors on our wiki have to use Monobook as their theme, configured in Preferences. This "may" be suitable for RSC and DeviousMUD Wiki, but is impossible to be used on RS Wiki, as all our thousands of editors will need to manually do this, and that is not a viable option.

As for the Runescape Wiki, what should we do. Should we just go along with the transition, and adapt to the disliked alterations? Or should we backup our content, and move to a different wiki hosting site, such as ShoutWiki? Replies to this subject must be to the point and concise, no arguments please.

Tonris1 05:13, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Comment - Your opening isn't very neutral. Even if the wiki did decide to move, this one will still be here, and be run. The "no arguments" rule you tried to put in your opening, doesn't really go with the Yew Groove theme, of being able to discuss the topic, not just saying "sawpart" and going along with whatever is said. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 05:23, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I meant was to discuss the idea of moving a "Civil" way. Many ideas were suggested as to do what WoWWiki might do, as in fork (leave this wiki behind, move on). We need others to add on to these ideas anyway. Tonris1 05:29, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
But we're not the WoWWiki. We are the RuneScape Wiki. The decisions we make will be based on our choices, not on what WoWWiki does. And before any discussion of actually moving is discussed, shouldn't we wait for them to fully release it, and see how anons actually respond to it, besides Wikia Staff are still messing around with the oasis skin. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 05:33, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
But that does not mean we can't base it off WoWWiki, which have similar ideas. Also including that there is a Anti-Wikia fourm thread that many wikis are joining (from planning a move from wikia), they are thinking of doing a multi-wiki move, with major wikis working together to fork off to a different wiki provider. --Tonris1 05:54, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
We can also wait for the new skin to be released, and see how those other wikis splitting off from Wikia affects them. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 06:01, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
That is what we are discussing on the bottom of this thread. --Tonris1 06:06, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - This topic was inevitably going to come up, and it could have been presented better IMO. Something that we must discuss are it's pros and cons, and while I am sure users will find more, here a few off the top of my head. Feel free to add more to this list.

Pros

  • Prevents us being forced to use the new skin.
  • Prevents the loss of some functions due to the implementation of the new skin, such as the Sitenotice.
  • Chances are it will give us more freedom as a Wiki.

Cons

  • Wikia is the largest "wiki-farm" out there, and moving will cause our site viewings to drop, temporarily if not permanently.
  • Moving the Wiki will mean editors will have to start all over again with new accounts, etc. However, some wiki-hosters have provided the option of being able to import our accounts.
  • Inevitably, some users will prefer to stick with Wikia and will not move to a new host, as a result the editing userbase will be split and both sides will have reduced editing capabilities.

222 talk 05:36, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you thebrains222, i read your comments on the community center blog posts, and this is indeed a problem that we face now. Most of the cons are unavoidable, but the pros (such as increased freedom) will outweigh it. Tonris1 05:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - If we decide to move to a new host, I'd follow and leave this one behind, but I don't really care if we do or not. Also this wiki wouldn't have to remain here and be maintained. Special:ProtectSite could be put on infinite sysop and a message on the main page could be left directing visitors to the new site. Wikia certainly wouldn't like that, but is that something their terms of use explicitly forbids? I doubt it. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 05:53, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Oh oops, its max 12 hours. But something could be done, i know that. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 05:54, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Thats a very good idea, I was thinking something similar, such as a siple redirection, or changing the main page to "Sorry, We Have Moved!" or the like. --Tonris1 05:56, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
That's a terrible idea, because it wouldn't work. Wikia would keep all of the pages here exactly as they are now, and would disable protectsite and desysop anyone who was "abusing" it in that fashion. ajr 13:53, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I think before we start making plans that we are leaving we should see how it plays out and let everyone experience the new skin for a month and see how they feel after a month of it. And if things are not going to well THEN we start planning leaving and what not. SardominSign Me! 05:59, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly, that is what were doing right now, but we should be prepared for any moving to occur, so ideas and plans need to be thought out. Tonris1 06:02, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
That kinda goes against what he said..... svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 06:05, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Well, we DO need to be prepared. If the RS Wiki community votes on leaving Wikia, we have to be ready by the time.--Tonris1 06:08, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Moving is no easy thing. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 06:09, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I understand that it will be a daunting task, with transferring immense amounts of information, new account, and a reformed community. But if we were to more by, say, tomorrow, we should be working on everything being set up for a event like it. --Tonris1 06:13, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
I believe that we shouldn't have the whole community think that we are going to move for something that isn't even completely out yet as making plans to move does. SardominSign Me! 06:17, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
But should we, to the least, have plans IF we move? Its a important question and decision, and the conclusion to it will need much planning and organization if the actual event should occur.--Tonris1 06:20, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Just wait till the new skin release. If the cons turn out to be huge problems as they sound, we move. If not, we stay. bad_fetustalk 06:26, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Just 2 cons to add, The wikia staff gives us a decent amount of help commonly and if we leave another rswiki will set up, possibly taking our (mental blank, attention/publicity/public awareness?) or our less aware userbase or giving us a bad name (sounds a bit cocky but...) - [Pharos] 09:16, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Wikia isn't perfect. I hate the new skin and I find it ridiculous that we will have to use it, but I'm not ready to pull a Transformers Wiki before the beta has even ended. Give it some time. Andrew talk 10:03, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - I should also add that I am neutral on all of this. I will be following the Wiki wherever it may go. 222 talk 11:53, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I admit the new skin isn't as good as monaco, even if we leave we won't have monaco where we go, plus the amount of positives we get from wikia far outweigh the negatives of the skin. If we go somewhere else we will probably get monobook, which i reckon isn't as good as the new skin anyway. Plus all the problems finding a host, transpiring everything, working out what to do with this site would just be to hard. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 12:06, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - It's not a viable option. There would be a huge drop in traffic, and even if we did move there would be no monaco to use. We have a lot of benefits from being with Wikia that isn't worth giving up to get rid of a new look. It would be too much work to move everything to a new host. Also, I've been very happily using this new look for more than a month now. It really isn't that bad. --Callofduty4 12:15, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe I do not care for many of the changes, but mostly I could live with them. Except for image attribution. That is the nastiest thing wikia could do to us, it is everything we are against. If we cannot get that disabled, we should leave.-- Degen says Unban TLUL  13:23, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

There's a guide in the Sitenotice for removing image attribution. :3 --Iiii I I I 13:27, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
I thought that is only for now, but with the new skin it will not be something we can disable.-- Degen says Unban TLUL  13:29, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
You can still get rid of it personally on oasis just like monaco. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 01:39, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose/Comment - It is ridiculous to base our decisions off of the skin as it is now; it is still in beta, and will be developed more before it is released. We should at the very least wait for a month after the skin is enabled and then make up our minds.
Beyond that, moving would be terrible for us. We would lose all Google results, and since this wiki would still exist, we would never get above it. Moving away from Wikia could be likened to committing suicide. Even if we moved to another wikifarm, it would still kill our search engine results and leave us with no viewers. And don't anybody give me the "it wouldn't be that hard to get back up" crap - as I said, this wiki would still exist here and develop another userbase. Google would look at the domain, and since Wikia would be infinitely more popular than whatever host we used, we would get put below this wiki. Way below it at the start, but we could never get above it. As I said, let's wait and see rather than commit suicide. ajr 13:51, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Not Yet - If I've not made my point clear, there is nothing about Oasis that I like. As much as I would like to be civilly disobedient to Wikia out of a sense of protest, the skin has not even been released yet, and we are better off giving it some time before we make such an extreme change. Prehaps a month after the release we poll our users as to how they feel about the skin, and then make our final decision. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 15:22, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - I'm willing to live with the new skin if photoattribution and blogs are allowed to be removed in a global css. --LiquidTalk 15:42, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

See Footnote 8 of my essay, linked to above. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 15:48, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I couldn't care less about monaco. Achievements Coelacanth0794 Talk Contribs 15:44, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - About photoattribution, I asked on the blogs about this.

I hope that means that wikia will allow them to be removed after a certain period. --LiquidTalk 16:13, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - It's not a bad thing to consider the option of moving at any time, not just now because of the new skin and ToS. One other thing worth considering is that even if every editor (including admins) leaves, Wikia won't delete the content. They'll just put the wiki "up for adoption." --Saftzie (talk) 16:26, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Well, that does not mean we can't delete the content. Tonris1 19:36, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
At which point, Wikia undeletes everything, and removes everyone's sysop tools.-- 19:48, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
To put it more bluntly, this isn't really a discussion to move the wiki, because we can't move the wiki. The wiki stays here. Ultimately this is a discussion to move the community, which is a different thing. It's not bad to consider, or necessarily even do, such a thing. Everyone should just be clear about what it is. --Saftzie (talk) 20:24, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - I'll stick with the RuneScape Wiki regardless of the outcome. I did want to bring something up however. I'm sure everyone here who has a Facebook can remember when Facebook changed their look to that of the "New" Facebook. People came close to rioting in the streets, calling for a return to the old Facebook and threatening to leave. Now, however, I don't think anyone really cares that Facebook changed their look, and I predict the same will happen here. A big change is hard for people who are used to something. I also oppose many of the changes that wikia is making, but I'm not going to start freaking out before we've even had a change to experience the new skin for a period of time. Wikia isn't trying to drive people away, and I'm sure (based on their past record) that they will work with us to improve their changes. We really need to just wait and see before we jump to any conclusions. --Aburnett(Talk) 17:32, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

You also left out that Facebook has become significantly more successful as a result of the new look. ajr 17:40, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
I doubt it's because of the new look.   Swizz Talk   Events!   17:45, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
The new look, like Wikia's, was designed by web experts who know what attracts users. Yes, it was a lot to do with peer pressure, etc, but it was still a smart move for them, and the new skin was at least a little part of it. ajr 20:30, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Strong oppose to moving -

  1. This wiki has the top search engines. Even if the community moves everybody will still visit this wiki as it's on top of Google.
  2. It's almost impossible to host our own version: the brandwidth of about 988K users is far too expensive. Finding another good-quality wiki-host will be hard, if not impossible (though as the wiki is large exceptions may be made).
  3. We just have to get used to the new skin. I know, change is hard... Though it's possible.
  4. Blogs will still be removed at the RuneScape Wiki. No need to do it with CSS.
  5. Wikia will probably remove image-attribution if the wiki might leave because of it.
  6. Exceptions maybe made for the wiki.
  7. Wikia has good up-time, gives good community support, etc. etc.

I think that's reasons enough. At least to me. I, of course, can't guarantee we may remove the image attribution. Mark (talk) 20:29, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry to say this Mark, but your opinion is quite biased, for your actually part of the Wikia staff. Tonris1 20:32, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Mark's a helper (wikia's intern I think), hover your mouse over the "@wikia" thing. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 20:34, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Makes no difference. He is hired by Wikia, and must say things that are to keep us with Wikia, not what he actually thinks. By the way, the things he stated as oppose are the same reasons Susan posted on her blog on the Community Center, which everyone is opposing on, such as "Change is hard" nonsense. --Tonris1 20:39, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
You don't know if he is being "hired by Wikia" to say that. Just because he has the "@wikia" staff tag at the end of his signature doesn't mean that he's being payed to say that. AzurisProblem, wiki? 20:46, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
I never said that he is paid, Wiki Helpers are volunteers interns, but still. --Tonris1 20:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Wow, you know absolutely nothing about the way Wikia works. Tedjuh10 has not be hired by Wikia in any way (currently), he is volunteering his time helping wikis like this one. He isn't being paid to say that. Also, what he has just said is 100% true, in case you are wondering. ajr 20:52, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Ajraddatz, I never said that he gets paid, and I DID say that he volunteering. --Tonris1 20:56, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Please do not assume I'm here because Wikia wants me to. This is my personal opinion on this matter, and my opinion isn't any more important than other opinions. Technically seem I'm "hired", though I'm volunteering for Wikia in my own free time. Mark (talk) 20:59, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I KNOW that you are volunteering, this is my 3 time stating it.--Tonris1 21:03, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
It's a [email protected]@@ --Iiii I I I 21:02, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Not yet - I'd like to wait and see how this works out first. AzurisProblem, wiki? 20:46, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Tonris1 is Stopme, as he said here. Just thought I'd put that out there. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 21:04, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't really matter Concerned   Swizz Talk   Events!   21:09, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
I was just saying since Stopme is a perm banned account. And also doesn't seem to follow all policies as seen here. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 21:19, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Zamorak, thats is my old account, and if you read the entire reply I wrote to your question, you would know why I don't use it anymore. But still, thanks for asking. --Tonris1 21:25, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
This is block evasion and I believe it is not tolerated. (Why does this have to happen now -.-) Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 21:28, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
It's not block evasion if his story is true. Move any further discussion of this to talk pages. --Aburnett(Talk) 21:30, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Hold off for now - Let's use it for a month or two, get feedback from users. Give it time to sink in. Sure, it's a drastic change, but we can get used to it. ~MuzTalk 21:38, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Wait then decide - How can we be sure that the changes won't turn out to be for the better? And if there are things we disagree with, we can let Wikia know and request to be exempt from that particular part. Also, Mark is entitled to his opinion just like everybody else, regardless of his status with Wikia Ciphrius Kane 21:52, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

== Poll == Heres a poll I made to choose the current position of our wiki moving: <poll> What should we do? Move when Oasis comes out Wait a month or so, see how our wiki and other wikis are handling it, and then choose Don't move at all Other (Write in comments below) </poll> --Tonris1 21:58, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

We don't do polls here. ajr 22:00, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

<Edit Conflict>Poll Removed - We don't use polls to determine consensus. See RS:NOT#DEMOCRACY. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 22:03, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sorry about that. --Tonris1 22:08, October 2, 2010 (UTC)


Comment - By the way, if we do move, we will need to move all sub-runescape wikis, such as RS Wiki in different languages, and Dark Runescape. --Tonris1 02:52, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Vote (First Month)

Lets take a first vote for the first month, and then another vote after a 1 month time frame. You can choose:

  1. Move when Oasis comes out
  2. Wait a month or so, see how we and other wikis are handling it, then choose to move or not
  3. No moving at all
  4. Other (Please specify in comments below)

If you like, you can post additional comments on anything else relating to it.

Number 2- As nominator Tonris1 22:06, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Isn't this basically an unanonymous poll? Ciphrius Kane 22:13, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Not really, because we are not going to form a consensus through this, we just want to see editor's views before and after the transition, along with additional comments. Tonris1 22:16, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Still seems to a poll to me, serves the same function Ciphrius Kane 22:21, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
It's fine unless we use it for a conclusion to the discussion. --Tonris1 22:24, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
RS:NOT#DEMOCRACY Just throwing that out there. SardominSign Me! 22:24, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

No poll - We are not a democracy. --LiquidTalk 22:26, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - This is unneeded; when finding consensus all we do is look up at what people have said anyways. ajr 22:30, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Number 3 - Even if we're not to have a poll, I still want to say this. Tedjuh summed it up in his list of reasons why we shouldn't move. It's not worth giving up the support we get from Wikia, some of the top google results, and the traffic we receive, by moving to another host. It will take a matter of days to get used to it. It's really not as bad as some users portray it as. --Callofduty4 22:32, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, not really. Its not going to take "a matter of days" to get used to it if we don't move. Today, I tried using the New Look on our wiki, and it took me 10 minutes just to find the history of a page. Its impossible to navigate on the new look. Along with that, templates seem to be out-of-place, too cramped, etc. --Tonris1 02:56, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
Once you get used to it, it is not so hard to navigate. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 03:02, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
Yep, that's right. Just get used to it and take another look on your position. Pages will have to be redesigned, we know. 222 talk 03:09, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Comment/Oppose leave indefinitely - As summed up by Tedjuh, staying with Wikia is in the interests of the wiki as a whole. Wikia will be willing to reconsider additions and changes to the skin over the coming months after the wide release. While having certain things like image-attribution (it appears that Wikia hasn't realized that it was activated for all skins besides Wikia) can create much fuss, they will remove it if the community sees fit, but only after more "click-tracking data" is released, even though it's been disliked on and off the beta forums as well. If you plan to leave Wikia, fine but don't prevent the editors staying from improving the Wiki. This is not a dictatorship and should be treated as another project. If editors want to leave, that's fine. Having the most active amount of editors in all of Wikia is nice, but it's not possible to make them leave Wikia to work on this project. I know I will stay editing on Wikia no matter what any individual wiki does as long as I have my personal CSS and JS. And as stated by other users, it doesn't take long to acclimate to the Wikia skin and shouldn't be treated as a parasite as some have at Community Central. Just use the skin for a month as a personal preference later this week/month and then see what you think. The Wikia skin is a work-in-progress as was Monaco when it came out. There is never a good reason to switch from one corporate overlord to another. Ryan PM 05:50, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

First Month Ideas

Write down your current opinion on the move, should we wait, go straight away, or not at all? We'll do two discussions, the first month before the transition, and the second month after the transition, and compare changed ideas, overall change. Example: The first month 5 people say to move straight away, 30 people say to wait, 30 people say not at all. The second month 50 people say to move straight away, 5 people say to wait, 5 people say to not move at all.

Wait- As what it seems from most editors, I think its best to wait a month and see how we and other wikis are handling it. Tonris1 22:34, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Did it occur to you that we could have done all of this in the 'discussion' section 0_o? - [Pharos] 05:44, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

He's been blocked. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 05:58, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - While I understand that it's not the best idea to make a decision in opposition to your user base, it is their right, and people will continue to use Wikia, and Wikia will continue to make money, so moving makes no sense. It's about as ridiculous as the subscribers that quit Runescape because of the player-vs-player changes; Jagex didn't lose that much money. Wikia won't lose that much money - if any, though I actually expect them to gain money. It's a business decision; let's not make ourselves martyrs. The only truly pressing issue, to me, is image attribution, and I expect, per Liquid and others, that they'll make an exception for us as they've done in the past. Also, in my opinion, a site can look better for having space on the edges because it adds a layer of depth to the page, though I wouldn't shrink it down to 800 px wide, but, again, it wouldn't surprise me if they made us an exception, and, again, let's not make ourselves martyrs; leaving will not do any good. Leftiness 06:05, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Request for (temporary) closure

Most users think it is a bit premature to be discussing this. Let's just see what happens over the next month or so and then we can make a more informed decision on this. HaloTalk 15:56, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - We will look into this at a later time. ajr 15:58, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Open - Ahem... This is a legitimate discussion, so it stays for at least one week. See Forum:Have you ever seen the snow?. --Aburnett(Talk) 16:08, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Orite... I forgot that this was just started two days ago... </stupid> ajr 16:12, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
It may be a legitimate discussion, which is why I'm asking for temporary closure. Many people are uniformed on the subject matter (including myself to some extent) as they are not in the beta. There is too many variables right now to even have this on the table. Let's give it some time, see what the changes are. If they are terrible and we can't negotiate, get some changes in TOS, then we can put this back on the table. HaloTalk 16:26, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
What if some user finds a great reason that we should move right away? (I know that's not going to happen, but well, that's the logic behind it.) bad_fetustalk 16:27, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
I actually personally think moving is a great idea. It would give us tons more control, less bureaucracy, and might make Jagex like us more. On the downside it would take some adjustments, we would be getting a different skin, lose quite a few users in the process, and we would have some costs. I still think it's premature to have this open as of present time. HaloTalk 16:33, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
umm... we would get tons more control if we moved to our own server instead of a wikifarm, and that would cost a hell lot. bad_fetustalk 16:35, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
That's what I'm saying. One ad should cover the costs of server without any problems. HaloTalk 16:38, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
I doubt that. We use a huge amount of space. bad_fetustalk 16:48, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
Cook and I have been bouncing this idea around for a week. He didn't take something into his calculations, but it's not a big enough factor to worry about. There are complications, but it could be done if we want to. HaloTalk 16:50, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
Meh, okay then, although I still doubt that since we'd lose a lot of traffic which would mean ads would pay us less $$$. bad_fetustalk 16:53, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
That's what he didn't think about. But we won't lose all that much I don't think. Redirecting people to a new site would get most active people there, and everybody could tell their friends and such. HaloTalk 16:57, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - It seems to me that the proper closure of this topic would be maybe to create a Project page that lists and evaluates options. That Project could even be a continuing one, not necessarily tied to the new skin, etc. Then after some open evaluation, whose progress anyone can check by reading the project page, the Project proposes something more definite in the Yew Grove. No timelines, like a month or whatever, apply. A proposal is ready whenever it's ready. It would be a little odd for Wikia to be hosting a page evaluating them against their competition, but if it's done right, they might even value it as feedback (even if they ultimately change nothing). BTW I strongly un-volunteer to help with the project. I just think that's the right way to go if anything goes anywhere. --Saftzie (talk) 17:39, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Umm...forum is better way (because it involves whole community). I still want to negotiate with wikia, and see if we can work something out, but I'm not taking this option off the medium-term table. HaloTalk 17:42, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
But you say Cook and you have been "bouncing" ideas between you two. That's essentially a closed project. Make it open and document it. Allow others to join if they want. --Saftzie (talk) 17:52, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
It's not a closed project. It's just two people talking. We haven't been the only ones, and other people are welcome to join. It's just too early to have an official thing going on. Project space isn't used for things like this, forum is. HaloTalk 17:56, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Re-request closure - I do NOT believe this is a legitimate discussion anymore. It is too early to be discussing this and I would ask that it is closed at least temporarily. HaloTalk 20:29, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

I thought I'd poke my head in here for a minute. Yes, I and about four other people had been discussing leaving Wikia. We were very carefully formulating a way to leave, examining all of the logistics. Unfortunately, the idea has been blown open into the public without many of the key arguments, and it seems it has swayed many editors' minds over leaving. As much as we'd all like to believe that all editors are equal, it's quite obvious that having a sockpuppet of someone who is infinitely banned proposing the idea, will not help its chances. It seems that the idea is dead in its current incarnation, and I'm disappointed that we will not have a true debate on this. All I can tell you is that it would have been feasible to leave, and the costs of the server(s) would have easily been outweighed by the ad revenue. I would like to see how the other wikis leaving plays out (particularly WowWiki) and maybe revisit this in a month or so. ʞooɔ 20:32, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Support closure - It is premature to discuss this. Personally, I would probably support such a move if it were well thought-out, but when Oasis is still so young, I don't think that's the case. It is too early to discuss this. Let's see what happens with the other wikis that are moving, and then we can make an informed decision. I'm a regular user and I approve this message.  TLUL Talk - Contribs 20:38, October 3, 2010 (UTC) 

Closed - Per above. --LiquidTalk 22:03, October 3, 2010 (UTC)