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This thread was archived on 15 November 2010 by Haloolah123.

I know this has been suggested at least once in the past, but with the Halloween event, I am putting it up for discussion yet again - move all holiday event articles to the proper titles that have been given to them.

Since the 2009 Easter Event, Jagex has been treating holiday events alot more like temporary quests - this one even had the "start quest?" prompt that more recent quests use. Since Jagex has given these holiday events proper titles, we should use these titles.

A common arguement against this that I remember is that nobody would think to search for "Web of Shadows" as opposed to "2009 Halloween"; my response to this is "that's what redirects are for".

Armadyl symbol.png Nightgunner Talk Illuminated Book of Law.png 22:17, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

The previous discussion is at Forum:Holiday event articles - change all names if anyone is interested in reading it. --LiquidTalk 22:28, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Support - as nominator. Armadyl symbol.png Nightgunner Talk Illuminated Book of Law.png 22:17, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - It makes more sense to have them at the (year) (holiday) name because that is more clear when looking at them in a list. It's much easier to organize and look at them chronologically. Otherwise, you'll be thinking, "Hmm, did Web of Shadows come first or did Partying is Such Sweet Sorrow come first"? Furthermore, like you said, that's what redirects are for. There is really no point in moving them to the event name. --LiquidTalk 22:26, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Liquidhelium. I think it makes more sense to have the page titles be all uniform (since earlier events did not have names) and then just list the special title on the article. insaneular 22:35, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I would have to disagree - You would not have to change how they are organised to do this. Indeed, the Events Template would not have to be changed at all. It would just be the title of the article. Furthermore, per RS:SG: "'Articles about items, monsters, quests, and non-player characters should be titled exactly as the subject's name appears in-game" 'Armadyl symbol.png Nightgunner Talk Illuminated Book of Law.png 22:53, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
I know, but I'm not going to blindly follow a policy when common sense tells me something else. I'd rather have all the event articles have consistent names. That means that either they're all in the (year) (event) format or all in the quest name format. Since I don't know a name for the 2005 Christmas Event, for example, I'd stick with the former. --LiquidTalk 23:25, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
The 2005 Christmas Event is named 2005 Christmas Event. The 2009 Christmas Event, however, is named A Christmas Warble. Armadyl symbol.png Nightgunner Talk Illuminated Book of Law.png 23:38, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
No, the 2005 Christmas Event had no name. We just called it that because we had to name it something. This is a case where I believe consistency is better than blind application of policy. --LiquidTalk 23:40, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I think UCS applies here very well. Per all. 222 talk 05:32, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Support - We should use their proper names. Redirects solve it. If you are too lazy to go to the page to see what year it was, you are probably too lazy to edit this page...or any other one. If we really wanted it could be NAME (YEAR EVENT) like they have on RS homepage right now. HaloTalk 05:43, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Support - All quests have there actual names like Elemental Workshop III has III not 3, all items have there correct in-game name, so for consistency these should have there in game name. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 07:00, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Do the actual name with redirects. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 12:43, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - It makes sense that there is some consistency to the names. And apply redirects to these consistent (year)(name) formats as needed. Farming cape (t).png Lil cloud 9 Talk 17:37, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I agree with Lil cloud 9, it's pretty nice too. --Farming cape (t).png Ikin Talk 17:42, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - Why does it matter? One of them is going to redirect to the other one after all, leading to the same result. bad_fetustalk 18:03, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - I really don't care which one is chosen, but as long as its consistent, it doesn't make a difference to me. Suppa chuppa Talk 18:08, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Support/Neutral I can't really oppose this, because in the end we can always make "A Christmas Warble" redirect to "2005 Christmas Event" or vice versa. After all, that is what redirects are for. 10hailfire10 19:35, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per the first discussion, we use redirects for exactly this. Also, Chess is right, one will redirect to the other. At the moment, I see nobody complaining "I searched for web of shadows and got the 2009 halloween event", so don't say that it confuses people. Real Crazy 20:11, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I never said that it confuses people. I was merely stating what I REMEMBERED to be an arguement against this, and even then it was that nobody would search for "Web of Shadows" as opposed to "2009 Halloween. But anyway, that is not my main point here - you say yourself that we can use redirects. So it makes sense that we should also use the offical names given to the events by Jagex, should we not? Armadyl symbol.png Nightgunner Talk Illuminated Book of Law.png 07:54, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
Have another look at the original discussion. All but the 3 or 4 most recent events will be "<Year> <Holiday>". It makes more sense to me to keep them in a uniform format. Real Crazy 07:08, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
At the moment, there are 5 events with names. At Christmas, it will be six. If this trend continues, which I am quite sure it will, then at some point the named events will outnumber the unnamed ones - This change will have to happen sooner or later. I am merely proposing that it happen sooner. Anyhow, reading back through this discussion I notice that haloolah proposed that the articles be renamed in a 'NAME (YEAR EVENT)'. This, I think, seems like a suitable compromise. Would anyone be against this instead? Armadyl symbol.png Nightgunner Talk Illuminated Book of Law.png 20:31, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
Sounds good, but not yet. There are still waaaaaay more unnamed events than named ones. Once there's more named ones, you will have my full support. Real Crazy 08:07, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
  • Support - They should have proper titles, but as the opposers have pretty much the same argument, how about this? The current titles will be redirects and the articles will be called: Web of Shadows (Hallowe'en 2009) and A Christmas Warble (Christmas 2009) and Egg-streme Management (Easter 2010). How's that? User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 13:23, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
Question - that format seems like a suitable compromise, but then would the unnamed ones keep the same titles or would they be something like "Unnamed event (Year Event)" I know that sounds ridiculous, just trying to clarify XD insaneular 13:26, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
...Fswe, did you just copy Nightgunner's idea? Real Crazy 14:18, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Support per all the reasons I gave in the first discussion. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 16:19, October 30, 2010 (UTC)


This request for closure is complete A user has requested closure for Move holiday event articles. Request complete. The reason given was: Seriously? Do we need thread closers now?

--中亚人/中亞人 (Chinasian/Jeffwang16) 跟我谈话 01:18, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Lolwat? This isn't the thread closers discussion. bad_fetustalk 06:34, November 13, 2010 (UTC)
No, but we might have to get some if we have to keep closing month-old threads... Real Crazy 12:34, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - There is no consensus to make these changes. HaloTalk 17:49, November 15, 2010 (UTC)