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This thread was archived on 20 August 2010 by Stelercus.

As I was lurking on the RuneScape Wiki’s Twitter profile, I noticed that, among the other Twitter accounts it is following, “RSWiki” is following Team penguin (“TeamPeng”), which is a Distractions & Diversions community.

However, the article in which discusses the RuneScape Wiki’s Twitter account fails to provide any information on who the account does and does not follow, thus leaving a very large gray area. By following someone, the Wiki is indirectly implying endorsement and affiliation. If this is the case, then I would like the Wiki to follow my community’s Twitter, as well as every other clan’s/community’s Twitter account out there — only fair, correct?

Anyways, the point of this is to request clarification on who the RuneScape Wiki’s Twitter account follows, why it follows them, and the requirements for other Twitter accounts to become followed by the RuneScape Wiki’s Twitter account.

Discussion

Support - As nominator. Star FindTalk 20:10, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - per nominator. Andrew talk 20:11, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per nominator. ajr 20:27, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per nominator. HaloTalk 20:28, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per nominator. xScoobsx Talk Contribs 22:35, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose Clan Star Find has hundreds of member who are very arrogant extremely rude constantly flaming jerks. They are not the kind of people we wish to associate with. Visit a world with 4 or 5 homeworlders on a star, and 4 or 5 members of Star Find. Their arrogance is oppressive and they constantly berate and belittle others.
Team penguin is helpful and friendly to all and I have never seen any of their ranks be anything other than polite, helpful, and friendly. These two groups are worlds apart in ideologies and how they function. Star Find is as evil and nasty a group as any merch clan, and I mean any. Associating our name with theirs would having us endorse one of the most hated clans in RuneScape. I do not exaggerate or joke on this.--Degenret01 23:58, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I think you misread this ;) ajr 00:06, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
Your comments are rude and could be nothing but further from the truth. As such, your opinion is without merit, therefore all should dismiss it. Please actually read the entire motion first before jumping to conclusions through spitting out rude statements. Star FindTalk 00:16, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
You cannot force others to change their opinions, however strongly you feel about them. "all should dismiss it". ⁓ Hello71 01:00, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
It was a reference to very similar statements made by Degenret01 in this discussion. Star FindTalk 14:15, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
Where? ⁓ Hello71 19:20, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
That's what I thought. ⁓ Hello71 02:48, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
In this discussion, at the bottom. This discussion, however, isn't about what someone else said. Snapping at me for not holding your hand to find the specific quote wasn't warranted. Star FindTalk 18:51, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
"... then I would like the Wiki to follow my community’s Twitter..." is what you said. Pretty damn clear to me. Not all of it, but that part is indeed up there.--Degenret01 01:10, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
Clarify' Support standards, but Star Find gets no free pass. i.e. they are not automatically entitled to be "followed".--Degenret01 01:23, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
That was an example of the current mindset of things. Without any clear guidelines on who the RuneScape Wiki Twitter account follows, it would only be fair to follow all other RuneScape organizations, clans, communities, etc. out there. The purpose: "the point of this is to request clarification on who the RuneScape Wiki’s Twitter account follows, why it follows them, and the requirements for other Twitter accounts to become followed by the RuneScape Wiki’s Twitter account." Please quit being so hostile. Star FindTalk 01:33, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
Edit conflict, I think User:Star Find was only trying to make the point that if Team Penguin gets followed for no specified reason, then any and all other clan chats (such as/including the CC Star Find) should have an equal chance to be followed also. User:Star Find was not asking for a free ride for his clan to be followed or supported. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 01:35, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
You said it perfectly. Star FindTalk 01:37, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Support - We do need this and we need to get rid of things like what degen said.Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 01:04, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Sounds fair to me. Also, I think Team Penguin was followed because we are affiliated with one of their ranks, User:Boomer12342. Every week he updates the DNDL article with images and information to help the community. I'm sure the Twitter acc operator who followed Team Penguin did so because of this. Quest point cape.pngLil Diriz 77 Talk Summoning-icon.png 01:35, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - Diriz is right; we followed Team Peng because Boomer updates our DNDL every week, free of charge. We hardly offer a service back. He also alerts us via twitter each week when the Pengs have been updated, or if there have been problems. Having to confirm each and every account followed is just an extra layer of bureaucracy and extra trouble. Can you not trust the account operators (A paid Wikia helper, and an administrator of 2 years) to make unbiased decisions about who they follow? The other accounts we follow are either affiliates, or official Jagex accounts. Maybe we could open something up on the Twitter discussion page about requesting to be followed. Chicken7 >talk 02:06, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

I never said I didn't trust the persons who operate the RuneScape Wiki Twitter account. I'm simply requestijng for further clarification on who they choose to follow, why they choose to follow those specific people, and what the requirements are for becoming followed by the RuneScape Wikia Twitter's account. Surely he can update the DNDL without being followed to that specific account, correct? Star FindTalk 02:28, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
As we offer little in the way of live penguin updates, we follow their account to help our users keep updated on the penguins. As he offers us a service, we try to return that by following his account and making his service more known to the RuneScape players. It's not like we're losing viewers. It's a win-win situation. Chicken7 >talk 11:11, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
Again, good for them. However, I also don't see the RuneScape Wiki Twitter account following all other sources in which it gets it content from, which is why clarification is needed. Star FindTalk 12:37, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
Who are the other sources? I can't think of any off the top of my ahead, except for Jagex and RuneScape (and we're following them). Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 13:01, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
There are too many to cite. For example, Bob over here contributed to the Wiki, and posts regular RuneScape info on his Twitter account, therefore the RuneScape Wiki Twitter account should follow him, according to the current mindset of things in regards to why the RuneScape Wiki Twitter Account is following the Team Penguin Twitter account. I contribute to the Wiki, therefore my Twitter account should be followed, along with everyone else who has contributed. Star FindTalk 13:18, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
Team Penguin is being followed, because as I state above, they inform us via Twitter when our page has been updated, or if there is a problem and one of our other wikians needs to do it themselves (has happened in the past I believe). Seeing as you used your own Twitter as an example, I think your motive may be just to have your own CC listed. I know you personally contribute to the site, but does your CC? Chicken7 >talk 23:51, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
I believe above someone said that they were following TeamPeng because Boomer helps out, not because TeamPeng helps out, and it is more something in return, so why not offer this 'service' to everyone else? TBH, just follow official RuneScape/Jagex and leave it at that, then you don't get arguments like this.122.107.233.131 01:22, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I don't think we should follow anyone other than official Jagex/RuneScape channels. Just to discourage arguing about "oh my fansite isn't followed", even if there are criteria for it. HaloTalk 20:25, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I somewhat agree. I'll try to write up some policies later today. Star FindTalk 21:28, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
We're following fansites who we're affiliated with. They're following us. I think that's fair enough. And do we seriously need policies for something as minor as this? We're becoming like Wikipedia. Chicken7 >talk 23:51, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with following affiliated fansites or official Jagex-run Twitter accounts. However, accounts such as TeamPeng are not affiliated fanstes, therefore policies in regards to who the Wiki decides to indirectly imply affiliation & endorsement should be created. Star FindTalk 00:14, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
There's no need to create a policy, as someone said you don't want to turn into Wikipedia. 122.107.233.131 01:22, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
We have many policies. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 06:02, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - As my userpage states... I don't understand Twitter. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 06:23, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Proposals

Okay, so here are my two current proposals:

1. The Wiki’s Twitter account follows the Twitter accounts of affiliated fansites, the Twitter accounts made by Jagex, well as the Twitter accounts of RuneScape services in which the community finds resourceful, helpful, and needed to the users of the Wiki. If you operate a RuneScape service and wish to become followed by the Wiki’s Twitter account, you can submit a request on the discussion page for the RuneScape Wiki’s Twitter account, or someone can nominate your Twitter account. Once a general consensus is met by the community—if any at all—the decision to accept or deny your request will be made.
Remember: the Twitter account up for nomination should be one of a RuneScape service (e.g. penguin hunting organization, a RuneScape business, etc.).

This one would be the most complicated. It allows for Twitter accounts outside of those of the affiliated websites and ones operated by Jagex to become followed.

2. The Wiki’s Twitter account follows the Twitter accounts of affiliated fansites, and the Twitter accounts made by Jagex.

This one would be the simplest. It does not allow for Twitter accounts outside of those of the affiliated websites and ones operated by Jagex to become followed. Star FindTalk 01:45, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Support number one - But we also should follow other official fansites that aren't affiliates like rhq, which we are doing now.Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 02:35, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

If we follow number one, helpful groups only It is important to maintain our image, and to do so we need to make certain that any group we may follow acts with a certain set of decency standards. They must treat ALL people with respect and courtesy, not just those whom are members of their group. If members act in way that does not reflect this, especially on a repeated and ongoing basis, the clan must have a policy for banning said people for some time frame. The ranked members especially must follow this code, I know we can not control those who enter a CC any time they feel like it. But they need to be informed of decency standards and action MUST be taken against those who fail to comply. We as a wiki are devoted to helping all people, and to do so in the way we see best helps as many as we can. This MUST be reflected by those we affiliate with.--Degenret01 13:11, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Looks like you're out to get Star Find...just saying. 122.107.233.131 01:28, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Support number two - It's more fair and would take less time, and it would be simpler. Let Jagex deal with deciding who should be recognised.122.107.233.131 01:29, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose both - Honestly I think it's better if we ONLY follow Jagex twitter/RuneScape twitter (the two that have been used to give twitter hints in the past). If we start saying we'll follow these fansites, and then, oh this fansite is big, let's follow them we are going to annoy a lot of people. Keep it simple. HaloTalk 18:55, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I somewhat agree. Simplicity would make it a lot less complicated. Star FindTalk 19:14, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Support 1 - Its important we get out into the community. As long as there is community consensus, they're nice and respectful people and have some purpose for us, I'm all for following them. 222 talk 05:57, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose both - Ok really, why do we even have to follow anyone? This isn't someone's personal twitter account, there is zero reason for us to receive tweets from anyone else. If the operators want to know what these twitter profiles are saying, they can follow them on personal accounts. This doesn't even make sense. Christine 17:27, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Who and why we follow - Seeing as there is so much confusion and annoyance, I shall explain who we follow and why:

  • Official Jagex Accounts- Official Jagex twitters allow us to communicate with them, which was the purpose of creating our twitter. Sometimes they "retweet" our updates to ALL their followers, which is a great boost to our popularity and userbase.
    • OfficialJagex
    • RuneScape
    • RuneScapeRSS
    • RuneFest
  • RSWiki Feed- Obvious. This is our feed account, which has a constant feed of the Recent Changes.
  • Affiliated fansites- By following the fansites, we are able to communicate with them and organise/confirm events. It is also only fair, seeing as they all follow us.
    • RunePlanet
    • RuneTips
    • TipItEvents
    • zybez
  • TeamPeng- They kindly and voluntarily update our D&D Locations every week. With Twitter, they also confirm to us whether everything has been updated, or if there was a problem, which has happened I believe.

There was no problem before this, so I don't understand why all this had to take place. Such a small and minor issue, and we're going to create all these policies and rules... Chicken7 >talk 01:33, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - Those administrating to the twitter channel are to clarify why the said accounts are followed. If there is any opposition to this after the clarification, a new discussion is to be created to discus what course of action will be taken. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 01:47, August 20, 2010 (UTC)