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This thread was archived on 14 November 2010 by Liquidhelium.

I've been looking at monster articles, particularly Dungeoneering versions of them and I see we are squashing lots of versions of monsters into one page. What I think we should do is when there are more than 2 levels of a monster, like on the Skeleton page, we turn the main page, in this case Skeleton, into a disambiguation page with each level being a subpage with this format Monster/Level. It would take a lot of work but it would mean each page would have more information in the infobox, more accurate charm logs, with each subpage having it's own one, more accurate drop tables etc. This would also apply to the Dungeoneering versions of the monsters.

Discussion

Support - As nom. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 15:50, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - So we should have over 30 articles just for skeleton? That doesn't make any sense.. bad_fetustalk 16:01, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

How doesn't it make any sense? They are all different levels different max hits different drops ect. We have complete granularity on everything almost, why not this as well? Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 16:04, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
Because it's quite pointless. That page is short already. I'd only support different drops to warrant a different article. bad_fetustalk 16:08, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
But when half the stuff in the infobox says varies or 80-1000+ that is completely useless, you fins out no information what so ever. If we split it, they will have information in them. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 16:11, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - It depends on how different the monsters are. I thought the current version covered this? HaloTalk 16:21, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

^what he said. bad_fetustalk 16:23, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
In the last forum the requirements were
Monsters of different combat levels must have different articles unless:
  • They have very similar or identical drop tables AND
  • They are found in the same location and all variants can attack and be attacked
But since nothing has happened i wasn't exactly sure what that meant so i made this to change the requirement a bit to add if there are more than 2 versions of the monster. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 16:28, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
Examples

As you didn't give any examples except for dungeoneering monsters and Skeletons, i will give the examples i think that should be split, and what should not:

To split
  • All Dungeoneering, POH and GWD versions should be split from the normal, in-rs version
  • All quest-only monsters(like restless ghost skeleton) should be split from the main article with [[monster name (quest name)]] as article name.
  • All monsters that have significantly different drops each version should be split
  • All monsters that have significantly different combat level, or appearance, should be split. Examples: Ape Atoll Dungeon skeletons look significantly different: should be split; Skeletons in Stronghold of Security have significantly different combat to regular skeletons(around lvl 20): should be split.
  • All monsters that are not in the same category of monsters(not about rswiki categories), for example monkey skeletons should be split, and giant skeletons too.
Not to split
  • All different combat versions of dungeoneering monsters should not be split
  • Cases of doubt about if they have significant enough differences in the drops or combat level should not be split, but should run a RFS to let the community decide that.
  • All monsters that do look a bit the same, but have different versions should not be split, for example Ghosts have different appearance, but with the same combat level and drops.
  • Non-interactive NPCs that serve the same purpose on the same location should not be split, for example Dancer should not be split.

This is what i think the good examples are. If you think there should be changed something, please say what you want changed. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 17:19, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Mostly the same except dungeoneering monsters would be split, like the dungeoneering items are split by tier which is what these are. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 17:24, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose split of diff combat level otherwise identical monsters Because it is not doing our readers a service in this case, it is just causing more clicking and work for us and them. If they fight differently and need a different strategy to kill, okay, that is a separate case.--Degenret01 17:33, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per above. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 17:41, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with what Degen said - Ultimately it's all about the reader. It's how best we can serve them, and what Degen said is correct in my opinion. HaloTalk 18:10, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I don't think they should be split just for their levels, but if it's a quest monster, then thats good enogh to make a seperate page for them. For the other monsters, it's fine how it is - after all, it's the same monster. ­­­.­ ­­ ­­ ­­ ­­ ­­ ­Tawk­ ­­ ­­ ­­ ­­ ­­­­ ­­­ ­­­ ­­­ ­­­ ­­­ ­­­ ­­­ Mo Man­­­File:Agility cape (t).png ­­ ­­­­ ­­­­­­­­­­­ ­­­ ­­­ ­­­­ ­­Sign­­ ­­­­­­­ ­­­ ­­­ ­­ ­­ ­­­­ ­­­­ ­­ 18:16, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Isn't giving more and more accurate doing our readers a service? I'm sure i wouldn't mind 1 more click if it meant there was better information. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 23:55, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that the skeleton (level 9) and skeleton (level 10) articles are going to be absolutely identical except for the level. (I made the numbers up, so don't quote this). There isn't going to be better information in one or the other because they're both the same thing. --LiquidTalk 00:23, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
Max hit, LP, slayer xp, almost every number will be different and most of the times the drops will be slightly different. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 07:37, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - There is no consensus to implement this, so the status quo prevails. Note that this means articles of different monsters will be split if there is a significant difference in the two versions. --LiquidTalk 00:26, November 14, 2010 (UTC)