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This thread was archived on 25 August 2010 by Liquidhelium.

Seeing as how there has been a few merge discussions that grow stale and lead to a Vote for deletion requesting to be merge simply putting the discussion on VFD in the first place may save time and give more attention to merging. The merge tag would of course need to be changed, off hand something similar to the votes for deletion tag would be better suited to merging in the "new style" being suggested, something like "this article is being nomated to be merged with (other article) see this articles entry in votes for deletion." Now if you're wondering "How does merging fit into deleting it though?" As it has been pointed out to me it fits in very well as merging deletes one article to add it to another, meaning no difference at all really. If there's any questions please feel free to ask as I had not planned out this article before starting to write it out there is most likely loose ends I failled to think of off the top of my head, as a side note if I mess up adding this article I do appologize as I'm still getting used to the new editing format. Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 18:23, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Edit As Rwojy pointed out splitting might benefit from being in it also. Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 19:34, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

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I Support the idea, and think it should be used for splitting too. Usually only recentchanges patrollers see the tag being added. People rarely check Category:Articles to be merged and Category:Articles to be split. Also, if you are talking about the rich text editor, it can be turned off via preferences, under editing. VUCUBucket detail.pngrwojy 18:34, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Added, didn't consider splitting too, as for the rich text editor I have it turned off now I was going to get used to it but the old way is easier to use IMO. Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 19:34, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Why don't we create something along the lines of "Requests for Merges/Splitting"? Many articles that have been "nominated" for merging usually have little or no discussion, and only the other users who notice it in the RecentChanges tend to notice it. There are quite a number of such articles sitting in Category:Articles to be merged and Category:Articles to be split and usually when someone tries to split the articles without consensus, their edits will get reverted, leading to a standstill. Deleting and merging are quite different anyway, so I think a separate process should be used. C.ChiamTalk 07:24, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

My original idea for merging was something similar to that actually, however at the time I was forgetting articles to be split, when and if this topic gains momentum that option can be brought up for a vote to see which is thought to be better, though the title of this thread is to have merging discussion on VFD, however the overall thought is to have the discussion on a certain page so merging isn't overlooked to the point it becomes almost pointless to add the merge tag when a VFD will usually get more attention. However, should the request for merge/split be used the VFD page should have a message stating "also see (name of page decided upon)". Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 22:57, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I think it'd be a good idea, something I was considering to propose but never got around to it. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 12:32, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Good to know I'm not the only one who thought of it Smile. Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 22:57, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Support - We can give merging/splitting some much-needed traffic this way. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  23:56, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Sounds good. Whoever the sysops is that calls consensus, they would have the difficult job of merging/splitting the pages... Lol Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 03:49, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - This is something that's really been confusing me. If we do this, if consensus is reached to merge/split the pages, will a sysop close the discussion and just leave the tags there for someone who looks at the categories to do? Or will s/he close it but not archive and put it into a sort of waiting list? I have noticed that for the few merge discussions we've had on VfD, the other admins have closed the discussions, but have not merged them but simply left it so sit in the category again. What was the point of the bloody discussion then? Chicken7 >talk 04:26, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

If you want to close and archive a discussion, make sure that the consensus is put into effect, then close it. If you don't have the time to do it, or don't know how to do it, you should leave the discussion open until someone does it. You could also ask the original proposer for help, or someone else. But please, please make sure it gets done before closure. My tuppence.   az talk   07:36, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
My agreement. Chicken7 >talk 07:39, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - We need a dedicated place for RfM and RfS. Putting them on VfD makes sense, since VfDs end in merge sometimes... but maybe a RfM/S page is good too. So yeah, I support putting them on a project page and don't mind which one =D Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 13:23, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Yes I like the idea of having all the "status changes" on one page. It seems to me that the VFD page gets a lot of traffic, however, VFU, merges, moves, and splits have a similar process but don't get a lot of visibility. I'd really like it if we had a page similar to VFD, that handles the following:

  • VFD
  • VFU
  • Merge
  • Split
  • Move

...and maybe more similar things. The only thing I can think of calling it is "status changes" but I'm sure somebody can think of something catchier. What do people think? Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 00:47, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

{{RFC}} JLKWCPBucket detail.pngrwojy 04:47, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Request for closure - Most people on board, nobody else commenting. Ajraddatz Talk 19:32, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Requesting closure' - Appropriate action should be taken and the forum should be closed. HaloTalk 19:27, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per nom, almost all the merge discussions are related to deletions. bad_fetustalk 22:11, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Support Tollerach's. No idea for name though... 222 talk 23:31, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

This request for closure was denied A user has requested closure for Merge discussion on VFD.. Request denied. The reason given was: See below

ʞooɔ 09:38, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Re-re-re-request closure - Per above. 222 talk 01:05, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

All requests denied - Don't request again; consider there is a reason we didn't close it when we saw the notice. What would we close it as? You haven't included reasons. I consider it to be a rough consensus pass, and that they should be merged. But I tried to do this, and encountered numerous problems and gave up. I recommend you start a new section, making a proposal of how the new system would work, or inviting others to do so. It is not a matter of moving everything to one page. There isn't even a Request for Move/Split/Merge at the current moment anyway. Chicken7 >talk 07:26, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry. 222 talk 11:07, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
No problem. Sorry if I sounded aggressive. All the requests for comment/closure from everyone starts to piss off after awhile. Chicken7 >talk 11:13, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
Here we go Chicken, my proposal Smile 222 talk 10:31, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Request closure - Discussion is continuing on Forum:Page maintenance page. This closure has a reason. 222 talk 07:05, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

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Discussion has been moved to Forum:Page maintenance page. Please contribute there.

Closed - Discussion is continuing at Forum:Page maintenance page. --LiquidTalk 01:42, August 25, 2010 (UTC)